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Does diversity provide anything that meritocracy does not?



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I'm hoping my question is less broad than this one. I work in tech and see many emails about diversity from our upper management.



In some sense, I can see this being used as a PR tactic: management wants the company to look diverse because the shareholders care about the public image of the company and don't want it to look like some kind of exclusionary club... but how can one know if motivations for diversity and inclusion are anything more than a PR move? As far as I can tell, this is unknowable.



Moreover, assuming a company had no need for PR (maybe a large, private company with no real media presence,) would the policy of diversity and inclusion actually have any benefits over using raw meritocratic measurements in interviews? Meritocracy or a "competence hierarchy" does a fine job in allowing a person's performance to qualify him/her for a position - so why would diversity policies be needed to "augment" or replace this?



Note that I am not assuming that the recruiting process is done by biased people who only want to surround themselves with people who look alike - I am specifically asking why do unbiased people believe that some (non-PR) utility would be provided to their companies by hiring a more diverse staff instead of simply relying on meritocracy itself?



I have heard that racial/gender diversity provides a company with more "cognitive diversity" - but is such an idea valid? Do recruiters actually believe in a "latino way of thinking" or a "female way of thinking" as if they were trying to create a company culture using individuals as recipe ingredients? In my mind, it is stereotypical to judge an individual as a member of a group without knowing them personally.. but perhaps I have failed to grasp the concept of "cognitive diversity"? Thanks in advance.










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    Little bit opinionated tone the title has. Maybe you can make it sound a bit more neutral? This is an important question and it needs a good answer.

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    Most workplaces that believe themselves to be meritocracies, and make a big fuss about it, in fact aren't - they simply overlook their inbuilt biases towards the status quo. Metrics in interviews are often part of this - anything more than a broad "can/can't do the job" will select for very specific people, usually reflecting the abilities of the people that chose the metric.

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    Do you know a single "unbiased" person? Everyone has a certain bias, whenever we go with our gut-feeling about someone it is biased by our previous experiences. Is someone with unstable grades a lost cause or a creative thinker? There is no unbiased metric for that - so you will always chose biased and can try to be a little less restricted by trying to diversify

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    Meritocracy has an ugly tendency to degenerate rather quickly to nepotism. Source: every proclaimed meritocratic system.

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    Not an answer, but I would like to recommend that you read amazon.co.uk/Technically-Wrong-Sexist-Algorithms-Threats-ebook/… - it gives plenty of concrete examples of where non-diverse teams made poorer products as a direct result of their homogeneity.

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I'm hoping my question is less broad than this one. I work in tech and see many emails about diversity from our upper management.



In some sense, I can see this being used as a PR tactic: management wants the company to look diverse because the shareholders care about the public image of the company and don't want it to look like some kind of exclusionary club... but how can one know if motivations for diversity and inclusion are anything more than a PR move? As far as I can tell, this is unknowable.



Moreover, assuming a company had no need for PR (maybe a large, private company with no real media presence,) would the policy of diversity and inclusion actually have any benefits over using raw meritocratic measurements in interviews? Meritocracy or a "competence hierarchy" does a fine job in allowing a person's performance to qualify him/her for a position - so why would diversity policies be needed to "augment" or replace this?



Note that I am not assuming that the recruiting process is done by biased people who only want to surround themselves with people who look alike - I am specifically asking why do unbiased people believe that some (non-PR) utility would be provided to their companies by hiring a more diverse staff instead of simply relying on meritocracy itself?



I have heard that racial/gender diversity provides a company with more "cognitive diversity" - but is such an idea valid? Do recruiters actually believe in a "latino way of thinking" or a "female way of thinking" as if they were trying to create a company culture using individuals as recipe ingredients? In my mind, it is stereotypical to judge an individual as a member of a group without knowing them personally.. but perhaps I have failed to grasp the concept of "cognitive diversity"? Thanks in advance.










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    Little bit opinionated tone the title has. Maybe you can make it sound a bit more neutral? This is an important question and it needs a good answer.

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    Most workplaces that believe themselves to be meritocracies, and make a big fuss about it, in fact aren't - they simply overlook their inbuilt biases towards the status quo. Metrics in interviews are often part of this - anything more than a broad "can/can't do the job" will select for very specific people, usually reflecting the abilities of the people that chose the metric.

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    Do you know a single "unbiased" person? Everyone has a certain bias, whenever we go with our gut-feeling about someone it is biased by our previous experiences. Is someone with unstable grades a lost cause or a creative thinker? There is no unbiased metric for that - so you will always chose biased and can try to be a little less restricted by trying to diversify

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    Meritocracy has an ugly tendency to degenerate rather quickly to nepotism. Source: every proclaimed meritocratic system.

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    Not an answer, but I would like to recommend that you read amazon.co.uk/Technically-Wrong-Sexist-Algorithms-Threats-ebook/… - it gives plenty of concrete examples of where non-diverse teams made poorer products as a direct result of their homogeneity.

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I'm hoping my question is less broad than this one. I work in tech and see many emails about diversity from our upper management.



In some sense, I can see this being used as a PR tactic: management wants the company to look diverse because the shareholders care about the public image of the company and don't want it to look like some kind of exclusionary club... but how can one know if motivations for diversity and inclusion are anything more than a PR move? As far as I can tell, this is unknowable.



Moreover, assuming a company had no need for PR (maybe a large, private company with no real media presence,) would the policy of diversity and inclusion actually have any benefits over using raw meritocratic measurements in interviews? Meritocracy or a "competence hierarchy" does a fine job in allowing a person's performance to qualify him/her for a position - so why would diversity policies be needed to "augment" or replace this?



Note that I am not assuming that the recruiting process is done by biased people who only want to surround themselves with people who look alike - I am specifically asking why do unbiased people believe that some (non-PR) utility would be provided to their companies by hiring a more diverse staff instead of simply relying on meritocracy itself?



I have heard that racial/gender diversity provides a company with more "cognitive diversity" - but is such an idea valid? Do recruiters actually believe in a "latino way of thinking" or a "female way of thinking" as if they were trying to create a company culture using individuals as recipe ingredients? In my mind, it is stereotypical to judge an individual as a member of a group without knowing them personally.. but perhaps I have failed to grasp the concept of "cognitive diversity"? Thanks in advance.










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I'm hoping my question is less broad than this one. I work in tech and see many emails about diversity from our upper management.



In some sense, I can see this being used as a PR tactic: management wants the company to look diverse because the shareholders care about the public image of the company and don't want it to look like some kind of exclusionary club... but how can one know if motivations for diversity and inclusion are anything more than a PR move? As far as I can tell, this is unknowable.



Moreover, assuming a company had no need for PR (maybe a large, private company with no real media presence,) would the policy of diversity and inclusion actually have any benefits over using raw meritocratic measurements in interviews? Meritocracy or a "competence hierarchy" does a fine job in allowing a person's performance to qualify him/her for a position - so why would diversity policies be needed to "augment" or replace this?



Note that I am not assuming that the recruiting process is done by biased people who only want to surround themselves with people who look alike - I am specifically asking why do unbiased people believe that some (non-PR) utility would be provided to their companies by hiring a more diverse staff instead of simply relying on meritocracy itself?



I have heard that racial/gender diversity provides a company with more "cognitive diversity" - but is such an idea valid? Do recruiters actually believe in a "latino way of thinking" or a "female way of thinking" as if they were trying to create a company culture using individuals as recipe ingredients? In my mind, it is stereotypical to judge an individual as a member of a group without knowing them personally.. but perhaps I have failed to grasp the concept of "cognitive diversity"? Thanks in advance.







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    Little bit opinionated tone the title has. Maybe you can make it sound a bit more neutral? This is an important question and it needs a good answer.

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    Most workplaces that believe themselves to be meritocracies, and make a big fuss about it, in fact aren't - they simply overlook their inbuilt biases towards the status quo. Metrics in interviews are often part of this - anything more than a broad "can/can't do the job" will select for very specific people, usually reflecting the abilities of the people that chose the metric.

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    Do you know a single "unbiased" person? Everyone has a certain bias, whenever we go with our gut-feeling about someone it is biased by our previous experiences. Is someone with unstable grades a lost cause or a creative thinker? There is no unbiased metric for that - so you will always chose biased and can try to be a little less restricted by trying to diversify

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    Meritocracy has an ugly tendency to degenerate rather quickly to nepotism. Source: every proclaimed meritocratic system.

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    Not an answer, but I would like to recommend that you read amazon.co.uk/Technically-Wrong-Sexist-Algorithms-Threats-ebook/… - it gives plenty of concrete examples of where non-diverse teams made poorer products as a direct result of their homogeneity.

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    Little bit opinionated tone the title has. Maybe you can make it sound a bit more neutral? This is an important question and it needs a good answer.

    – leymannx
    5 hours ago






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    Most workplaces that believe themselves to be meritocracies, and make a big fuss about it, in fact aren't - they simply overlook their inbuilt biases towards the status quo. Metrics in interviews are often part of this - anything more than a broad "can/can't do the job" will select for very specific people, usually reflecting the abilities of the people that chose the metric.

    – Julia Hayward
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    Do you know a single "unbiased" person? Everyone has a certain bias, whenever we go with our gut-feeling about someone it is biased by our previous experiences. Is someone with unstable grades a lost cause or a creative thinker? There is no unbiased metric for that - so you will always chose biased and can try to be a little less restricted by trying to diversify

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    Meritocracy has an ugly tendency to degenerate rather quickly to nepotism. Source: every proclaimed meritocratic system.

    – Stian Yttervik
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    Not an answer, but I would like to recommend that you read amazon.co.uk/Technically-Wrong-Sexist-Algorithms-Threats-ebook/… - it gives plenty of concrete examples of where non-diverse teams made poorer products as a direct result of their homogeneity.

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Little bit opinionated tone the title has. Maybe you can make it sound a bit more neutral? This is an important question and it needs a good answer.

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Little bit opinionated tone the title has. Maybe you can make it sound a bit more neutral? This is an important question and it needs a good answer.

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Most workplaces that believe themselves to be meritocracies, and make a big fuss about it, in fact aren't - they simply overlook their inbuilt biases towards the status quo. Metrics in interviews are often part of this - anything more than a broad "can/can't do the job" will select for very specific people, usually reflecting the abilities of the people that chose the metric.

– Julia Hayward
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Most workplaces that believe themselves to be meritocracies, and make a big fuss about it, in fact aren't - they simply overlook their inbuilt biases towards the status quo. Metrics in interviews are often part of this - anything more than a broad "can/can't do the job" will select for very specific people, usually reflecting the abilities of the people that chose the metric.

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Do you know a single "unbiased" person? Everyone has a certain bias, whenever we go with our gut-feeling about someone it is biased by our previous experiences. Is someone with unstable grades a lost cause or a creative thinker? There is no unbiased metric for that - so you will always chose biased and can try to be a little less restricted by trying to diversify

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Do you know a single "unbiased" person? Everyone has a certain bias, whenever we go with our gut-feeling about someone it is biased by our previous experiences. Is someone with unstable grades a lost cause or a creative thinker? There is no unbiased metric for that - so you will always chose biased and can try to be a little less restricted by trying to diversify

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Meritocracy has an ugly tendency to degenerate rather quickly to nepotism. Source: every proclaimed meritocratic system.

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Meritocracy has an ugly tendency to degenerate rather quickly to nepotism. Source: every proclaimed meritocratic system.

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Not an answer, but I would like to recommend that you read amazon.co.uk/Technically-Wrong-Sexist-Algorithms-Threats-ebook/… - it gives plenty of concrete examples of where non-diverse teams made poorer products as a direct result of their homogeneity.

– Vicky
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Not an answer, but I would like to recommend that you read amazon.co.uk/Technically-Wrong-Sexist-Algorithms-Threats-ebook/… - it gives plenty of concrete examples of where non-diverse teams made poorer products as a direct result of their homogeneity.

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Here's a Harvard Business Review study on why diverse teams outperform homogeneous teams.



Diverse teams are more innovative and focus on facts better than homogeneous teams. However, it's not as simple as throwing a bunch of different people together and hoping that things work out, as this article points out.



Now if you're interested in something beyond abstract notions of "productivity" and why diversity matters, look at this. It's a soap dispenser that doesn't dispense soap to people who aren't white because a team of white people never thought to test it on skin tones apart from theirs. Don't be that team.



I work on an amazing and very diverse team. I'm better because of the diversity in my team (I get to engage with people of different skill levels, from different perspectives, with different priorities, etc.) When building teams, looking entirely for a stack of uniformly excellent 10X engineers will be both costly and counterproductive. We focused on building a 10X team, as described in this article, and we did. I'm extremely happy on my team.






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    The interesting thing about that article you link; is that it's talking about diversity in management... This is not what OP is talking about; as it is management trying to get the workforce more diverse; not getting themselves more diverse (who would want to put themselves out the job for the sake of the company?!). I suspect that having the main workforce of a car factory would make no difference what so ever - and may even harm production if the diverseness means less physically able.

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    Where is the evidence that the soap dispenser was developed by a team of white people? It was probably developed in China.

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    I cant help but feel that this Harvard Study is implying "diversity" as in, different mindsets and social/educational backgrounds - i dont think a team with mixed ethnics has different performance than a team with non-diverse ethnics. Gender might be true, since men and women have proved to approach challenges in different ways.

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    @FlyingThunder how about reading the article instead of guessing? I mean, it's literally in the second sentence.

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The general problem here is that the "merit" in meritocracy needs to be measured in some quantitative way. It's not an objective or absolute quantity. Organizations or teams that have a blind spot are often not aware that they have a blind spot and hence they won't be able to fill it.



Diversity helps you to broaden your definition of merit and create more balanced value system






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    I think Glen did a great job explaining the why of diversity, so let me take a different perspective.




    Do diversity and inclusion actually have any benefits over using raw meritocratic measurements in interviews?




    I'd argue that in a perfect world they lead to the exact same outcome. That skills are perfectly distributed and so are opportunities.



    But the world is not perfect and so opportunities are not evenly distributed and neither are skills distributed in the same way as people's talents, simply because you need experience and practice to get the most out of raw talent.



    So companies know that to attract the most talented, driven crowd you need to think of peoples' background.



    Steve Jobs's dad was a Syrian immigrant, the Kennedys were Irish, Barack Obama mixed race, and Sergey Brin (Google) was born in Russia.



    Companies should be terrified that they could be missing out on people like that, because they might have a background that is hard to recognize.






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      "missing out on people like that" - this is not what the question asked. The question didn't ask what the advantages are of not being biased against certain ethnic backgrounds. In a meritocracy, a minority applicant who is better than the non-minority one, gets the job. But if we discuss diversity versus meritocracy, then in that case, diversity means that the minority applicant who has the same (or lower) skill level still gets the job for the purpose of filling a quota and making the team more diverse. In this case your examples are completely off topic.

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      My dear Val, please read my answer again but slowly. My answer is that in a perfect world (and this means a perfect assesment of people's skills too) they are one and the same, with every company being a perfect mirror of society as a whole. But they are not and so companies will have to use imperfect metrics, and ones that sometimes have to make wild guesses about ability.

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      Please read the title of the question again but slowly. By claiming that metrics are imperfect, companies will miss out on really great people you provided as examples... yet none of them, as far as I know, were hired for the sake of increasing diversity (maybe with the partial exception of Obama, who surely had voters who voted on him for his race... but still, he already achieved a high status before that)

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    As the other answers mention, there are potentially benefits from a more diverse team that, although they could theoretically be picked up as part of a measure of merit , in practice frequently aren't.



    Aside from any actual benefits to the company though, from the perspective of people monitoring hiring practices diversity is much easier to measure than merit. This makes life much easier for HR and middle management types, who can report a 20% increase in new hire diversity as a win rather more easily than they can report a 20% increase in new hire merit. Since these people tend to be involved in advising on hiring policies, diversity related policies have a tendency to emerge.






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      I work in a big IT company (100.000+ employee) and I am a racial minority. Here is what I was told from an HR representative when I was promoted as a manager:



      We need to hire smart and talented people. Smart and talented people come can come from any background, including diverse gender, diverse sexualities, diverse skin color, diverse level of disability, etc...



      If a division of the company turns out to be seen a toxic by a given demographic, we loose the ability to hire from this demographic.



      For exemple, if you let lewd jokes, harassment, belittlement create a toxic environment for women, we loose 50% of our hiring prospect, which will result in having less choice from where to select talented people. As a result, you will have to work with dummies.



      So, be open to diversity and work with smart people, or else you will have to work with dummies.



      What I find funny is that I had to be promoted manager to ear this sensible argument. As long as I was a junior, all HR gave me as a justification was the usual BS ("diversity is cool, mmh 'kay? Don't be bad"). Beeing a minority, I value diversity, but like you I was doubtful, as if a company whose primary objective is to make money would care...






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      • You had to wait until you were promoted manager to hear this, because the pseudo-statistical argument is nonsense, and only managers can get away with believing nonsense without screwing up the quality of your company's products. Suppose that males and females are equally diverse, and the proportion of "smart" males and females is identical. Now, if your company is recruiting, you will get the same proportion of "smart" applicants from 100% male applicants, 100% female applicants, or anything in between. Oops, HR's argument just flew out of the window.

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      • I am unclear as to whether you are answering this question or not. The text you provide from HR seems to answer that "yes there are benefits on diversity at the workplace" but you don't seem to agree with that.

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      • @alephzero you might get the same proportion of male applicants, but you don't get the same overall number as half your potential applicants haven't applied

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      Just an idea: if you have a non-divers clientele (all customers being of the same/similar background), then diversity might not bring a lot of advantages (at least what customer satisfaction is concerned).



      However, if your customer base is more divers (different backgrounds), then the presence of similar backgrounds in your company might foresee possible issues/questions the customer will have, which will make it easier and faster to respond to any customer demands.






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        why do unbiased people believe that some (non-PR) utility would be provided to their companies by hiring a more diverse staff instead of simply relying on meritocracy itself?




        Human beings, including "unbiased people" are capable of believing nearly anything for any reason. But when people form any given belief, they don't typically change it unless it is shown to be demonstrably wrong in some way that is costly to ignore.



        Belief in diversity's benefits is a relatively non-costly belief for HR personnel, and those benefits are difficult to measure objectively. If the benefits of diverse hiring practices don't actually exist, the effort in seeking additional diversity doesn't negatively impact the company much or at all.



        Consider that top companies like Google still have 80% male development teams because that's who they can find, even after spending lots of time and money to try to hire more women. It's not like if a software company can only find 3 white dudes no matter how hard it tries, it won't eventually hire one of the white dudes instead of keep the position open forever.






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          You are assuming that when you are installing a system of true meritocracy will make any focus on diversity unnecessary, since skill does not depend on race or gender. Since skill actually does not depend on race and gender, this assumption sounds good in theory, but it does not hold up in the real world.



          You can install a system of "true meritocracy" in your company and try to inforce it with all kind of measures, but the truth is that it is impossible to build such a bubble and completely isolate it from the real world.



          In our society there are many ways how people can be disadvantaged by race, gender, wealth, social group etc. Here are some examples:




          • A woman who has kids is working on a part-time contract outperforms her coworkers on full-time contract, but her manager, whose wife stays at home with the kids, subconsciously (or consciously for that matter) feels that she can not fully focus on her job because "she also has to take care of her children" or he feels "sorry for the kids who need their mother". If she looks for a new job, she will do so from a position lower than warranted by her actual performance.

          • A black person is not graded fairly in his oral exam because he happened to come across an examiner who secretly holds racist views.

          • A smart kid from a poor family does not get good support at school, because her/his parents are busy to bring food on the table. It is expected hrom her/him to quickly find a paying job, because the family can not afford to maintan her/him in a higher eductation. At the same time a less gifted rich child will get all the support she/he needs by a paid tutor to attain good grades and will be supported financially by her/his parents during higher education.


          All these people are at a disvantantage in a recruitment process that does not factor in the systemic effect of race, gender and other bias that is still present in our society.



          You can even go further and say that only if you make sure that the composition of your workforce matches the one of society, you can truly install a meritocratic system. Structures tend to perpetuate themselves. A less diverse workforce will tend to remain like this, while on the other hand, a more diverse workforce will also stay more diverse.



          When your company is as diverse as society on all hierarchy levels, then it will be visible to everyone that anyone can make it to any position in the company. Only then you can truly hire people only based on their skills, because everyone, the hirer and the hiree will be aware that other non-related factors will not matter. Until then you will have to compensate for structural disadvantages of some applicants in your hiring process. The goal can not be to hire for diversity forever, but only when and as much as structural disadvantages are reflected in the company's workforce.






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          • I don't believe you understand what meritocracy means by the examples given. You are also portraying the need of providing same outcomes instead of providing the same opportunities, which goes the opposite direction of what meritocracy is.

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          • @fireshark519: My whole point is that you can not provide equal opportunities in isolation. The problem is that you can not hiere based on opportunity when the system doesn't provide that. You can take a look at an individual case and say "I have hired the best one for this position based only on merit.". But when your company has a non-diverse workforce, it is a sign that you are not providing equal opportunity. The outcome is a symptom of the problem.

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          Here's a Harvard Business Review study on why diverse teams outperform homogeneous teams.



          Diverse teams are more innovative and focus on facts better than homogeneous teams. However, it's not as simple as throwing a bunch of different people together and hoping that things work out, as this article points out.



          Now if you're interested in something beyond abstract notions of "productivity" and why diversity matters, look at this. It's a soap dispenser that doesn't dispense soap to people who aren't white because a team of white people never thought to test it on skin tones apart from theirs. Don't be that team.



          I work on an amazing and very diverse team. I'm better because of the diversity in my team (I get to engage with people of different skill levels, from different perspectives, with different priorities, etc.) When building teams, looking entirely for a stack of uniformly excellent 10X engineers will be both costly and counterproductive. We focused on building a 10X team, as described in this article, and we did. I'm extremely happy on my team.






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            The interesting thing about that article you link; is that it's talking about diversity in management... This is not what OP is talking about; as it is management trying to get the workforce more diverse; not getting themselves more diverse (who would want to put themselves out the job for the sake of the company?!). I suspect that having the main workforce of a car factory would make no difference what so ever - and may even harm production if the diverseness means less physically able.

            – UKMonkey
            2 hours ago






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            Where is the evidence that the soap dispenser was developed by a team of white people? It was probably developed in China.

            – James
            1 hour ago






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            I cant help but feel that this Harvard Study is implying "diversity" as in, different mindsets and social/educational backgrounds - i dont think a team with mixed ethnics has different performance than a team with non-diverse ethnics. Gender might be true, since men and women have proved to approach challenges in different ways.

            – Flying Thunder
            1 hour ago






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            @FlyingThunder how about reading the article instead of guessing? I mean, it's literally in the second sentence.

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          Here's a Harvard Business Review study on why diverse teams outperform homogeneous teams.



          Diverse teams are more innovative and focus on facts better than homogeneous teams. However, it's not as simple as throwing a bunch of different people together and hoping that things work out, as this article points out.



          Now if you're interested in something beyond abstract notions of "productivity" and why diversity matters, look at this. It's a soap dispenser that doesn't dispense soap to people who aren't white because a team of white people never thought to test it on skin tones apart from theirs. Don't be that team.



          I work on an amazing and very diverse team. I'm better because of the diversity in my team (I get to engage with people of different skill levels, from different perspectives, with different priorities, etc.) When building teams, looking entirely for a stack of uniformly excellent 10X engineers will be both costly and counterproductive. We focused on building a 10X team, as described in this article, and we did. I'm extremely happy on my team.






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            The interesting thing about that article you link; is that it's talking about diversity in management... This is not what OP is talking about; as it is management trying to get the workforce more diverse; not getting themselves more diverse (who would want to put themselves out the job for the sake of the company?!). I suspect that having the main workforce of a car factory would make no difference what so ever - and may even harm production if the diverseness means less physically able.

            – UKMonkey
            2 hours ago






          • 2





            Where is the evidence that the soap dispenser was developed by a team of white people? It was probably developed in China.

            – James
            1 hour ago






          • 2





            I cant help but feel that this Harvard Study is implying "diversity" as in, different mindsets and social/educational backgrounds - i dont think a team with mixed ethnics has different performance than a team with non-diverse ethnics. Gender might be true, since men and women have proved to approach challenges in different ways.

            – Flying Thunder
            1 hour ago






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            @FlyingThunder how about reading the article instead of guessing? I mean, it's literally in the second sentence.

            – DonQuiKong
            56 mins ago














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          Here's a Harvard Business Review study on why diverse teams outperform homogeneous teams.



          Diverse teams are more innovative and focus on facts better than homogeneous teams. However, it's not as simple as throwing a bunch of different people together and hoping that things work out, as this article points out.



          Now if you're interested in something beyond abstract notions of "productivity" and why diversity matters, look at this. It's a soap dispenser that doesn't dispense soap to people who aren't white because a team of white people never thought to test it on skin tones apart from theirs. Don't be that team.



          I work on an amazing and very diverse team. I'm better because of the diversity in my team (I get to engage with people of different skill levels, from different perspectives, with different priorities, etc.) When building teams, looking entirely for a stack of uniformly excellent 10X engineers will be both costly and counterproductive. We focused on building a 10X team, as described in this article, and we did. I'm extremely happy on my team.






          share|improve this answer















          Here's a Harvard Business Review study on why diverse teams outperform homogeneous teams.



          Diverse teams are more innovative and focus on facts better than homogeneous teams. However, it's not as simple as throwing a bunch of different people together and hoping that things work out, as this article points out.



          Now if you're interested in something beyond abstract notions of "productivity" and why diversity matters, look at this. It's a soap dispenser that doesn't dispense soap to people who aren't white because a team of white people never thought to test it on skin tones apart from theirs. Don't be that team.



          I work on an amazing and very diverse team. I'm better because of the diversity in my team (I get to engage with people of different skill levels, from different perspectives, with different priorities, etc.) When building teams, looking entirely for a stack of uniformly excellent 10X engineers will be both costly and counterproductive. We focused on building a 10X team, as described in this article, and we did. I'm extremely happy on my team.







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          • 4





            The interesting thing about that article you link; is that it's talking about diversity in management... This is not what OP is talking about; as it is management trying to get the workforce more diverse; not getting themselves more diverse (who would want to put themselves out the job for the sake of the company?!). I suspect that having the main workforce of a car factory would make no difference what so ever - and may even harm production if the diverseness means less physically able.

            – UKMonkey
            2 hours ago






          • 2





            Where is the evidence that the soap dispenser was developed by a team of white people? It was probably developed in China.

            – James
            1 hour ago






          • 2





            I cant help but feel that this Harvard Study is implying "diversity" as in, different mindsets and social/educational backgrounds - i dont think a team with mixed ethnics has different performance than a team with non-diverse ethnics. Gender might be true, since men and women have proved to approach challenges in different ways.

            – Flying Thunder
            1 hour ago






          • 1





            @FlyingThunder how about reading the article instead of guessing? I mean, it's literally in the second sentence.

            – DonQuiKong
            56 mins ago














          • 4





            The interesting thing about that article you link; is that it's talking about diversity in management... This is not what OP is talking about; as it is management trying to get the workforce more diverse; not getting themselves more diverse (who would want to put themselves out the job for the sake of the company?!). I suspect that having the main workforce of a car factory would make no difference what so ever - and may even harm production if the diverseness means less physically able.

            – UKMonkey
            2 hours ago






          • 2





            Where is the evidence that the soap dispenser was developed by a team of white people? It was probably developed in China.

            – James
            1 hour ago






          • 2





            I cant help but feel that this Harvard Study is implying "diversity" as in, different mindsets and social/educational backgrounds - i dont think a team with mixed ethnics has different performance than a team with non-diverse ethnics. Gender might be true, since men and women have proved to approach challenges in different ways.

            – Flying Thunder
            1 hour ago






          • 1





            @FlyingThunder how about reading the article instead of guessing? I mean, it's literally in the second sentence.

            – DonQuiKong
            56 mins ago








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          The interesting thing about that article you link; is that it's talking about diversity in management... This is not what OP is talking about; as it is management trying to get the workforce more diverse; not getting themselves more diverse (who would want to put themselves out the job for the sake of the company?!). I suspect that having the main workforce of a car factory would make no difference what so ever - and may even harm production if the diverseness means less physically able.

          – UKMonkey
          2 hours ago





          The interesting thing about that article you link; is that it's talking about diversity in management... This is not what OP is talking about; as it is management trying to get the workforce more diverse; not getting themselves more diverse (who would want to put themselves out the job for the sake of the company?!). I suspect that having the main workforce of a car factory would make no difference what so ever - and may even harm production if the diverseness means less physically able.

          – UKMonkey
          2 hours ago




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          Where is the evidence that the soap dispenser was developed by a team of white people? It was probably developed in China.

          – James
          1 hour ago





          Where is the evidence that the soap dispenser was developed by a team of white people? It was probably developed in China.

          – James
          1 hour ago




          2




          2





          I cant help but feel that this Harvard Study is implying "diversity" as in, different mindsets and social/educational backgrounds - i dont think a team with mixed ethnics has different performance than a team with non-diverse ethnics. Gender might be true, since men and women have proved to approach challenges in different ways.

          – Flying Thunder
          1 hour ago





          I cant help but feel that this Harvard Study is implying "diversity" as in, different mindsets and social/educational backgrounds - i dont think a team with mixed ethnics has different performance than a team with non-diverse ethnics. Gender might be true, since men and women have proved to approach challenges in different ways.

          – Flying Thunder
          1 hour ago




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          @FlyingThunder how about reading the article instead of guessing? I mean, it's literally in the second sentence.

          – DonQuiKong
          56 mins ago





          @FlyingThunder how about reading the article instead of guessing? I mean, it's literally in the second sentence.

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          The general problem here is that the "merit" in meritocracy needs to be measured in some quantitative way. It's not an objective or absolute quantity. Organizations or teams that have a blind spot are often not aware that they have a blind spot and hence they won't be able to fill it.



          Diversity helps you to broaden your definition of merit and create more balanced value system






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            The general problem here is that the "merit" in meritocracy needs to be measured in some quantitative way. It's not an objective or absolute quantity. Organizations or teams that have a blind spot are often not aware that they have a blind spot and hence they won't be able to fill it.



            Diversity helps you to broaden your definition of merit and create more balanced value system






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              The general problem here is that the "merit" in meritocracy needs to be measured in some quantitative way. It's not an objective or absolute quantity. Organizations or teams that have a blind spot are often not aware that they have a blind spot and hence they won't be able to fill it.



              Diversity helps you to broaden your definition of merit and create more balanced value system






              share|improve this answer













              The general problem here is that the "merit" in meritocracy needs to be measured in some quantitative way. It's not an objective or absolute quantity. Organizations or teams that have a blind spot are often not aware that they have a blind spot and hence they won't be able to fill it.



              Diversity helps you to broaden your definition of merit and create more balanced value system







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                  I think Glen did a great job explaining the why of diversity, so let me take a different perspective.




                  Do diversity and inclusion actually have any benefits over using raw meritocratic measurements in interviews?




                  I'd argue that in a perfect world they lead to the exact same outcome. That skills are perfectly distributed and so are opportunities.



                  But the world is not perfect and so opportunities are not evenly distributed and neither are skills distributed in the same way as people's talents, simply because you need experience and practice to get the most out of raw talent.



                  So companies know that to attract the most talented, driven crowd you need to think of peoples' background.



                  Steve Jobs's dad was a Syrian immigrant, the Kennedys were Irish, Barack Obama mixed race, and Sergey Brin (Google) was born in Russia.



                  Companies should be terrified that they could be missing out on people like that, because they might have a background that is hard to recognize.






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                    "missing out on people like that" - this is not what the question asked. The question didn't ask what the advantages are of not being biased against certain ethnic backgrounds. In a meritocracy, a minority applicant who is better than the non-minority one, gets the job. But if we discuss diversity versus meritocracy, then in that case, diversity means that the minority applicant who has the same (or lower) skill level still gets the job for the purpose of filling a quota and making the team more diverse. In this case your examples are completely off topic.

                    – Val
                    2 hours ago






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                    My dear Val, please read my answer again but slowly. My answer is that in a perfect world (and this means a perfect assesment of people's skills too) they are one and the same, with every company being a perfect mirror of society as a whole. But they are not and so companies will have to use imperfect metrics, and ones that sometimes have to make wild guesses about ability.

                    – Borgh
                    2 hours ago






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                    Please read the title of the question again but slowly. By claiming that metrics are imperfect, companies will miss out on really great people you provided as examples... yet none of them, as far as I know, were hired for the sake of increasing diversity (maybe with the partial exception of Obama, who surely had voters who voted on him for his race... but still, he already achieved a high status before that)

                    – Val
                    2 hours ago


















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                  I think Glen did a great job explaining the why of diversity, so let me take a different perspective.




                  Do diversity and inclusion actually have any benefits over using raw meritocratic measurements in interviews?




                  I'd argue that in a perfect world they lead to the exact same outcome. That skills are perfectly distributed and so are opportunities.



                  But the world is not perfect and so opportunities are not evenly distributed and neither are skills distributed in the same way as people's talents, simply because you need experience and practice to get the most out of raw talent.



                  So companies know that to attract the most talented, driven crowd you need to think of peoples' background.



                  Steve Jobs's dad was a Syrian immigrant, the Kennedys were Irish, Barack Obama mixed race, and Sergey Brin (Google) was born in Russia.



                  Companies should be terrified that they could be missing out on people like that, because they might have a background that is hard to recognize.






                  share|improve this answer





















                  • 5





                    "missing out on people like that" - this is not what the question asked. The question didn't ask what the advantages are of not being biased against certain ethnic backgrounds. In a meritocracy, a minority applicant who is better than the non-minority one, gets the job. But if we discuss diversity versus meritocracy, then in that case, diversity means that the minority applicant who has the same (or lower) skill level still gets the job for the purpose of filling a quota and making the team more diverse. In this case your examples are completely off topic.

                    – Val
                    2 hours ago






                  • 3





                    My dear Val, please read my answer again but slowly. My answer is that in a perfect world (and this means a perfect assesment of people's skills too) they are one and the same, with every company being a perfect mirror of society as a whole. But they are not and so companies will have to use imperfect metrics, and ones that sometimes have to make wild guesses about ability.

                    – Borgh
                    2 hours ago






                  • 6





                    Please read the title of the question again but slowly. By claiming that metrics are imperfect, companies will miss out on really great people you provided as examples... yet none of them, as far as I know, were hired for the sake of increasing diversity (maybe with the partial exception of Obama, who surely had voters who voted on him for his race... but still, he already achieved a high status before that)

                    – Val
                    2 hours ago
















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                  I think Glen did a great job explaining the why of diversity, so let me take a different perspective.




                  Do diversity and inclusion actually have any benefits over using raw meritocratic measurements in interviews?




                  I'd argue that in a perfect world they lead to the exact same outcome. That skills are perfectly distributed and so are opportunities.



                  But the world is not perfect and so opportunities are not evenly distributed and neither are skills distributed in the same way as people's talents, simply because you need experience and practice to get the most out of raw talent.



                  So companies know that to attract the most talented, driven crowd you need to think of peoples' background.



                  Steve Jobs's dad was a Syrian immigrant, the Kennedys were Irish, Barack Obama mixed race, and Sergey Brin (Google) was born in Russia.



                  Companies should be terrified that they could be missing out on people like that, because they might have a background that is hard to recognize.






                  share|improve this answer















                  I think Glen did a great job explaining the why of diversity, so let me take a different perspective.




                  Do diversity and inclusion actually have any benefits over using raw meritocratic measurements in interviews?




                  I'd argue that in a perfect world they lead to the exact same outcome. That skills are perfectly distributed and so are opportunities.



                  But the world is not perfect and so opportunities are not evenly distributed and neither are skills distributed in the same way as people's talents, simply because you need experience and practice to get the most out of raw talent.



                  So companies know that to attract the most talented, driven crowd you need to think of peoples' background.



                  Steve Jobs's dad was a Syrian immigrant, the Kennedys were Irish, Barack Obama mixed race, and Sergey Brin (Google) was born in Russia.



                  Companies should be terrified that they could be missing out on people like that, because they might have a background that is hard to recognize.







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                    "missing out on people like that" - this is not what the question asked. The question didn't ask what the advantages are of not being biased against certain ethnic backgrounds. In a meritocracy, a minority applicant who is better than the non-minority one, gets the job. But if we discuss diversity versus meritocracy, then in that case, diversity means that the minority applicant who has the same (or lower) skill level still gets the job for the purpose of filling a quota and making the team more diverse. In this case your examples are completely off topic.

                    – Val
                    2 hours ago






                  • 3





                    My dear Val, please read my answer again but slowly. My answer is that in a perfect world (and this means a perfect assesment of people's skills too) they are one and the same, with every company being a perfect mirror of society as a whole. But they are not and so companies will have to use imperfect metrics, and ones that sometimes have to make wild guesses about ability.

                    – Borgh
                    2 hours ago






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                    Please read the title of the question again but slowly. By claiming that metrics are imperfect, companies will miss out on really great people you provided as examples... yet none of them, as far as I know, were hired for the sake of increasing diversity (maybe with the partial exception of Obama, who surely had voters who voted on him for his race... but still, he already achieved a high status before that)

                    – Val
                    2 hours ago
















                  • 5





                    "missing out on people like that" - this is not what the question asked. The question didn't ask what the advantages are of not being biased against certain ethnic backgrounds. In a meritocracy, a minority applicant who is better than the non-minority one, gets the job. But if we discuss diversity versus meritocracy, then in that case, diversity means that the minority applicant who has the same (or lower) skill level still gets the job for the purpose of filling a quota and making the team more diverse. In this case your examples are completely off topic.

                    – Val
                    2 hours ago






                  • 3





                    My dear Val, please read my answer again but slowly. My answer is that in a perfect world (and this means a perfect assesment of people's skills too) they are one and the same, with every company being a perfect mirror of society as a whole. But they are not and so companies will have to use imperfect metrics, and ones that sometimes have to make wild guesses about ability.

                    – Borgh
                    2 hours ago






                  • 6





                    Please read the title of the question again but slowly. By claiming that metrics are imperfect, companies will miss out on really great people you provided as examples... yet none of them, as far as I know, were hired for the sake of increasing diversity (maybe with the partial exception of Obama, who surely had voters who voted on him for his race... but still, he already achieved a high status before that)

                    – Val
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                  "missing out on people like that" - this is not what the question asked. The question didn't ask what the advantages are of not being biased against certain ethnic backgrounds. In a meritocracy, a minority applicant who is better than the non-minority one, gets the job. But if we discuss diversity versus meritocracy, then in that case, diversity means that the minority applicant who has the same (or lower) skill level still gets the job for the purpose of filling a quota and making the team more diverse. In this case your examples are completely off topic.

                  – Val
                  2 hours ago





                  "missing out on people like that" - this is not what the question asked. The question didn't ask what the advantages are of not being biased against certain ethnic backgrounds. In a meritocracy, a minority applicant who is better than the non-minority one, gets the job. But if we discuss diversity versus meritocracy, then in that case, diversity means that the minority applicant who has the same (or lower) skill level still gets the job for the purpose of filling a quota and making the team more diverse. In this case your examples are completely off topic.

                  – Val
                  2 hours ago




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                  My dear Val, please read my answer again but slowly. My answer is that in a perfect world (and this means a perfect assesment of people's skills too) they are one and the same, with every company being a perfect mirror of society as a whole. But they are not and so companies will have to use imperfect metrics, and ones that sometimes have to make wild guesses about ability.

                  – Borgh
                  2 hours ago





                  My dear Val, please read my answer again but slowly. My answer is that in a perfect world (and this means a perfect assesment of people's skills too) they are one and the same, with every company being a perfect mirror of society as a whole. But they are not and so companies will have to use imperfect metrics, and ones that sometimes have to make wild guesses about ability.

                  – Borgh
                  2 hours ago




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                  Please read the title of the question again but slowly. By claiming that metrics are imperfect, companies will miss out on really great people you provided as examples... yet none of them, as far as I know, were hired for the sake of increasing diversity (maybe with the partial exception of Obama, who surely had voters who voted on him for his race... but still, he already achieved a high status before that)

                  – Val
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                  Please read the title of the question again but slowly. By claiming that metrics are imperfect, companies will miss out on really great people you provided as examples... yet none of them, as far as I know, were hired for the sake of increasing diversity (maybe with the partial exception of Obama, who surely had voters who voted on him for his race... but still, he already achieved a high status before that)

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                  As the other answers mention, there are potentially benefits from a more diverse team that, although they could theoretically be picked up as part of a measure of merit , in practice frequently aren't.



                  Aside from any actual benefits to the company though, from the perspective of people monitoring hiring practices diversity is much easier to measure than merit. This makes life much easier for HR and middle management types, who can report a 20% increase in new hire diversity as a win rather more easily than they can report a 20% increase in new hire merit. Since these people tend to be involved in advising on hiring policies, diversity related policies have a tendency to emerge.






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                    As the other answers mention, there are potentially benefits from a more diverse team that, although they could theoretically be picked up as part of a measure of merit , in practice frequently aren't.



                    Aside from any actual benefits to the company though, from the perspective of people monitoring hiring practices diversity is much easier to measure than merit. This makes life much easier for HR and middle management types, who can report a 20% increase in new hire diversity as a win rather more easily than they can report a 20% increase in new hire merit. Since these people tend to be involved in advising on hiring policies, diversity related policies have a tendency to emerge.






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                      As the other answers mention, there are potentially benefits from a more diverse team that, although they could theoretically be picked up as part of a measure of merit , in practice frequently aren't.



                      Aside from any actual benefits to the company though, from the perspective of people monitoring hiring practices diversity is much easier to measure than merit. This makes life much easier for HR and middle management types, who can report a 20% increase in new hire diversity as a win rather more easily than they can report a 20% increase in new hire merit. Since these people tend to be involved in advising on hiring policies, diversity related policies have a tendency to emerge.






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                      As the other answers mention, there are potentially benefits from a more diverse team that, although they could theoretically be picked up as part of a measure of merit , in practice frequently aren't.



                      Aside from any actual benefits to the company though, from the perspective of people monitoring hiring practices diversity is much easier to measure than merit. This makes life much easier for HR and middle management types, who can report a 20% increase in new hire diversity as a win rather more easily than they can report a 20% increase in new hire merit. Since these people tend to be involved in advising on hiring policies, diversity related policies have a tendency to emerge.







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                          I work in a big IT company (100.000+ employee) and I am a racial minority. Here is what I was told from an HR representative when I was promoted as a manager:



                          We need to hire smart and talented people. Smart and talented people come can come from any background, including diverse gender, diverse sexualities, diverse skin color, diverse level of disability, etc...



                          If a division of the company turns out to be seen a toxic by a given demographic, we loose the ability to hire from this demographic.



                          For exemple, if you let lewd jokes, harassment, belittlement create a toxic environment for women, we loose 50% of our hiring prospect, which will result in having less choice from where to select talented people. As a result, you will have to work with dummies.



                          So, be open to diversity and work with smart people, or else you will have to work with dummies.



                          What I find funny is that I had to be promoted manager to ear this sensible argument. As long as I was a junior, all HR gave me as a justification was the usual BS ("diversity is cool, mmh 'kay? Don't be bad"). Beeing a minority, I value diversity, but like you I was doubtful, as if a company whose primary objective is to make money would care...






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                          • You had to wait until you were promoted manager to hear this, because the pseudo-statistical argument is nonsense, and only managers can get away with believing nonsense without screwing up the quality of your company's products. Suppose that males and females are equally diverse, and the proportion of "smart" males and females is identical. Now, if your company is recruiting, you will get the same proportion of "smart" applicants from 100% male applicants, 100% female applicants, or anything in between. Oops, HR's argument just flew out of the window.

                            – alephzero
                            55 mins ago













                          • I am unclear as to whether you are answering this question or not. The text you provide from HR seems to answer that "yes there are benefits on diversity at the workplace" but you don't seem to agree with that.

                            – fireshark519
                            51 mins ago











                          • @alephzero you might get the same proportion of male applicants, but you don't get the same overall number as half your potential applicants haven't applied

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                            18 mins ago
















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                          I work in a big IT company (100.000+ employee) and I am a racial minority. Here is what I was told from an HR representative when I was promoted as a manager:



                          We need to hire smart and talented people. Smart and talented people come can come from any background, including diverse gender, diverse sexualities, diverse skin color, diverse level of disability, etc...



                          If a division of the company turns out to be seen a toxic by a given demographic, we loose the ability to hire from this demographic.



                          For exemple, if you let lewd jokes, harassment, belittlement create a toxic environment for women, we loose 50% of our hiring prospect, which will result in having less choice from where to select talented people. As a result, you will have to work with dummies.



                          So, be open to diversity and work with smart people, or else you will have to work with dummies.



                          What I find funny is that I had to be promoted manager to ear this sensible argument. As long as I was a junior, all HR gave me as a justification was the usual BS ("diversity is cool, mmh 'kay? Don't be bad"). Beeing a minority, I value diversity, but like you I was doubtful, as if a company whose primary objective is to make money would care...






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                          • You had to wait until you were promoted manager to hear this, because the pseudo-statistical argument is nonsense, and only managers can get away with believing nonsense without screwing up the quality of your company's products. Suppose that males and females are equally diverse, and the proportion of "smart" males and females is identical. Now, if your company is recruiting, you will get the same proportion of "smart" applicants from 100% male applicants, 100% female applicants, or anything in between. Oops, HR's argument just flew out of the window.

                            – alephzero
                            55 mins ago













                          • I am unclear as to whether you are answering this question or not. The text you provide from HR seems to answer that "yes there are benefits on diversity at the workplace" but you don't seem to agree with that.

                            – fireshark519
                            51 mins ago











                          • @alephzero you might get the same proportion of male applicants, but you don't get the same overall number as half your potential applicants haven't applied

                            – tddmonkey
                            18 mins ago














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                          I work in a big IT company (100.000+ employee) and I am a racial minority. Here is what I was told from an HR representative when I was promoted as a manager:



                          We need to hire smart and talented people. Smart and talented people come can come from any background, including diverse gender, diverse sexualities, diverse skin color, diverse level of disability, etc...



                          If a division of the company turns out to be seen a toxic by a given demographic, we loose the ability to hire from this demographic.



                          For exemple, if you let lewd jokes, harassment, belittlement create a toxic environment for women, we loose 50% of our hiring prospect, which will result in having less choice from where to select talented people. As a result, you will have to work with dummies.



                          So, be open to diversity and work with smart people, or else you will have to work with dummies.



                          What I find funny is that I had to be promoted manager to ear this sensible argument. As long as I was a junior, all HR gave me as a justification was the usual BS ("diversity is cool, mmh 'kay? Don't be bad"). Beeing a minority, I value diversity, but like you I was doubtful, as if a company whose primary objective is to make money would care...






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                          I work in a big IT company (100.000+ employee) and I am a racial minority. Here is what I was told from an HR representative when I was promoted as a manager:



                          We need to hire smart and talented people. Smart and talented people come can come from any background, including diverse gender, diverse sexualities, diverse skin color, diverse level of disability, etc...



                          If a division of the company turns out to be seen a toxic by a given demographic, we loose the ability to hire from this demographic.



                          For exemple, if you let lewd jokes, harassment, belittlement create a toxic environment for women, we loose 50% of our hiring prospect, which will result in having less choice from where to select talented people. As a result, you will have to work with dummies.



                          So, be open to diversity and work with smart people, or else you will have to work with dummies.



                          What I find funny is that I had to be promoted manager to ear this sensible argument. As long as I was a junior, all HR gave me as a justification was the usual BS ("diversity is cool, mmh 'kay? Don't be bad"). Beeing a minority, I value diversity, but like you I was doubtful, as if a company whose primary objective is to make money would care...







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                          • You had to wait until you were promoted manager to hear this, because the pseudo-statistical argument is nonsense, and only managers can get away with believing nonsense without screwing up the quality of your company's products. Suppose that males and females are equally diverse, and the proportion of "smart" males and females is identical. Now, if your company is recruiting, you will get the same proportion of "smart" applicants from 100% male applicants, 100% female applicants, or anything in between. Oops, HR's argument just flew out of the window.

                            – alephzero
                            55 mins ago













                          • I am unclear as to whether you are answering this question or not. The text you provide from HR seems to answer that "yes there are benefits on diversity at the workplace" but you don't seem to agree with that.

                            – fireshark519
                            51 mins ago











                          • @alephzero you might get the same proportion of male applicants, but you don't get the same overall number as half your potential applicants haven't applied

                            – tddmonkey
                            18 mins ago



















                          • You had to wait until you were promoted manager to hear this, because the pseudo-statistical argument is nonsense, and only managers can get away with believing nonsense without screwing up the quality of your company's products. Suppose that males and females are equally diverse, and the proportion of "smart" males and females is identical. Now, if your company is recruiting, you will get the same proportion of "smart" applicants from 100% male applicants, 100% female applicants, or anything in between. Oops, HR's argument just flew out of the window.

                            – alephzero
                            55 mins ago













                          • I am unclear as to whether you are answering this question or not. The text you provide from HR seems to answer that "yes there are benefits on diversity at the workplace" but you don't seem to agree with that.

                            – fireshark519
                            51 mins ago











                          • @alephzero you might get the same proportion of male applicants, but you don't get the same overall number as half your potential applicants haven't applied

                            – tddmonkey
                            18 mins ago

















                          You had to wait until you were promoted manager to hear this, because the pseudo-statistical argument is nonsense, and only managers can get away with believing nonsense without screwing up the quality of your company's products. Suppose that males and females are equally diverse, and the proportion of "smart" males and females is identical. Now, if your company is recruiting, you will get the same proportion of "smart" applicants from 100% male applicants, 100% female applicants, or anything in between. Oops, HR's argument just flew out of the window.

                          – alephzero
                          55 mins ago







                          You had to wait until you were promoted manager to hear this, because the pseudo-statistical argument is nonsense, and only managers can get away with believing nonsense without screwing up the quality of your company's products. Suppose that males and females are equally diverse, and the proportion of "smart" males and females is identical. Now, if your company is recruiting, you will get the same proportion of "smart" applicants from 100% male applicants, 100% female applicants, or anything in between. Oops, HR's argument just flew out of the window.

                          – alephzero
                          55 mins ago















                          I am unclear as to whether you are answering this question or not. The text you provide from HR seems to answer that "yes there are benefits on diversity at the workplace" but you don't seem to agree with that.

                          – fireshark519
                          51 mins ago





                          I am unclear as to whether you are answering this question or not. The text you provide from HR seems to answer that "yes there are benefits on diversity at the workplace" but you don't seem to agree with that.

                          – fireshark519
                          51 mins ago













                          @alephzero you might get the same proportion of male applicants, but you don't get the same overall number as half your potential applicants haven't applied

                          – tddmonkey
                          18 mins ago





                          @alephzero you might get the same proportion of male applicants, but you don't get the same overall number as half your potential applicants haven't applied

                          – tddmonkey
                          18 mins ago











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                          Just an idea: if you have a non-divers clientele (all customers being of the same/similar background), then diversity might not bring a lot of advantages (at least what customer satisfaction is concerned).



                          However, if your customer base is more divers (different backgrounds), then the presence of similar backgrounds in your company might foresee possible issues/questions the customer will have, which will make it easier and faster to respond to any customer demands.






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                            Just an idea: if you have a non-divers clientele (all customers being of the same/similar background), then diversity might not bring a lot of advantages (at least what customer satisfaction is concerned).



                            However, if your customer base is more divers (different backgrounds), then the presence of similar backgrounds in your company might foresee possible issues/questions the customer will have, which will make it easier and faster to respond to any customer demands.






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                              Just an idea: if you have a non-divers clientele (all customers being of the same/similar background), then diversity might not bring a lot of advantages (at least what customer satisfaction is concerned).



                              However, if your customer base is more divers (different backgrounds), then the presence of similar backgrounds in your company might foresee possible issues/questions the customer will have, which will make it easier and faster to respond to any customer demands.






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                              Just an idea: if you have a non-divers clientele (all customers being of the same/similar background), then diversity might not bring a lot of advantages (at least what customer satisfaction is concerned).



                              However, if your customer base is more divers (different backgrounds), then the presence of similar backgrounds in your company might foresee possible issues/questions the customer will have, which will make it easier and faster to respond to any customer demands.







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                                  why do unbiased people believe that some (non-PR) utility would be provided to their companies by hiring a more diverse staff instead of simply relying on meritocracy itself?




                                  Human beings, including "unbiased people" are capable of believing nearly anything for any reason. But when people form any given belief, they don't typically change it unless it is shown to be demonstrably wrong in some way that is costly to ignore.



                                  Belief in diversity's benefits is a relatively non-costly belief for HR personnel, and those benefits are difficult to measure objectively. If the benefits of diverse hiring practices don't actually exist, the effort in seeking additional diversity doesn't negatively impact the company much or at all.



                                  Consider that top companies like Google still have 80% male development teams because that's who they can find, even after spending lots of time and money to try to hire more women. It's not like if a software company can only find 3 white dudes no matter how hard it tries, it won't eventually hire one of the white dudes instead of keep the position open forever.






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                                    why do unbiased people believe that some (non-PR) utility would be provided to their companies by hiring a more diverse staff instead of simply relying on meritocracy itself?




                                    Human beings, including "unbiased people" are capable of believing nearly anything for any reason. But when people form any given belief, they don't typically change it unless it is shown to be demonstrably wrong in some way that is costly to ignore.



                                    Belief in diversity's benefits is a relatively non-costly belief for HR personnel, and those benefits are difficult to measure objectively. If the benefits of diverse hiring practices don't actually exist, the effort in seeking additional diversity doesn't negatively impact the company much or at all.



                                    Consider that top companies like Google still have 80% male development teams because that's who they can find, even after spending lots of time and money to try to hire more women. It's not like if a software company can only find 3 white dudes no matter how hard it tries, it won't eventually hire one of the white dudes instead of keep the position open forever.






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                                      why do unbiased people believe that some (non-PR) utility would be provided to their companies by hiring a more diverse staff instead of simply relying on meritocracy itself?




                                      Human beings, including "unbiased people" are capable of believing nearly anything for any reason. But when people form any given belief, they don't typically change it unless it is shown to be demonstrably wrong in some way that is costly to ignore.



                                      Belief in diversity's benefits is a relatively non-costly belief for HR personnel, and those benefits are difficult to measure objectively. If the benefits of diverse hiring practices don't actually exist, the effort in seeking additional diversity doesn't negatively impact the company much or at all.



                                      Consider that top companies like Google still have 80% male development teams because that's who they can find, even after spending lots of time and money to try to hire more women. It's not like if a software company can only find 3 white dudes no matter how hard it tries, it won't eventually hire one of the white dudes instead of keep the position open forever.






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                                      why do unbiased people believe that some (non-PR) utility would be provided to their companies by hiring a more diverse staff instead of simply relying on meritocracy itself?




                                      Human beings, including "unbiased people" are capable of believing nearly anything for any reason. But when people form any given belief, they don't typically change it unless it is shown to be demonstrably wrong in some way that is costly to ignore.



                                      Belief in diversity's benefits is a relatively non-costly belief for HR personnel, and those benefits are difficult to measure objectively. If the benefits of diverse hiring practices don't actually exist, the effort in seeking additional diversity doesn't negatively impact the company much or at all.



                                      Consider that top companies like Google still have 80% male development teams because that's who they can find, even after spending lots of time and money to try to hire more women. It's not like if a software company can only find 3 white dudes no matter how hard it tries, it won't eventually hire one of the white dudes instead of keep the position open forever.







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                                          You are assuming that when you are installing a system of true meritocracy will make any focus on diversity unnecessary, since skill does not depend on race or gender. Since skill actually does not depend on race and gender, this assumption sounds good in theory, but it does not hold up in the real world.



                                          You can install a system of "true meritocracy" in your company and try to inforce it with all kind of measures, but the truth is that it is impossible to build such a bubble and completely isolate it from the real world.



                                          In our society there are many ways how people can be disadvantaged by race, gender, wealth, social group etc. Here are some examples:




                                          • A woman who has kids is working on a part-time contract outperforms her coworkers on full-time contract, but her manager, whose wife stays at home with the kids, subconsciously (or consciously for that matter) feels that she can not fully focus on her job because "she also has to take care of her children" or he feels "sorry for the kids who need their mother". If she looks for a new job, she will do so from a position lower than warranted by her actual performance.

                                          • A black person is not graded fairly in his oral exam because he happened to come across an examiner who secretly holds racist views.

                                          • A smart kid from a poor family does not get good support at school, because her/his parents are busy to bring food on the table. It is expected hrom her/him to quickly find a paying job, because the family can not afford to maintan her/him in a higher eductation. At the same time a less gifted rich child will get all the support she/he needs by a paid tutor to attain good grades and will be supported financially by her/his parents during higher education.


                                          All these people are at a disvantantage in a recruitment process that does not factor in the systemic effect of race, gender and other bias that is still present in our society.



                                          You can even go further and say that only if you make sure that the composition of your workforce matches the one of society, you can truly install a meritocratic system. Structures tend to perpetuate themselves. A less diverse workforce will tend to remain like this, while on the other hand, a more diverse workforce will also stay more diverse.



                                          When your company is as diverse as society on all hierarchy levels, then it will be visible to everyone that anyone can make it to any position in the company. Only then you can truly hire people only based on their skills, because everyone, the hirer and the hiree will be aware that other non-related factors will not matter. Until then you will have to compensate for structural disadvantages of some applicants in your hiring process. The goal can not be to hire for diversity forever, but only when and as much as structural disadvantages are reflected in the company's workforce.






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                                          • I don't believe you understand what meritocracy means by the examples given. You are also portraying the need of providing same outcomes instead of providing the same opportunities, which goes the opposite direction of what meritocracy is.

                                            – fireshark519
                                            54 mins ago











                                          • @fireshark519: My whole point is that you can not provide equal opportunities in isolation. The problem is that you can not hiere based on opportunity when the system doesn't provide that. You can take a look at an individual case and say "I have hired the best one for this position based only on merit.". But when your company has a non-diverse workforce, it is a sign that you are not providing equal opportunity. The outcome is a symptom of the problem.

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                                            9 mins ago
















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                                          You are assuming that when you are installing a system of true meritocracy will make any focus on diversity unnecessary, since skill does not depend on race or gender. Since skill actually does not depend on race and gender, this assumption sounds good in theory, but it does not hold up in the real world.



                                          You can install a system of "true meritocracy" in your company and try to inforce it with all kind of measures, but the truth is that it is impossible to build such a bubble and completely isolate it from the real world.



                                          In our society there are many ways how people can be disadvantaged by race, gender, wealth, social group etc. Here are some examples:




                                          • A woman who has kids is working on a part-time contract outperforms her coworkers on full-time contract, but her manager, whose wife stays at home with the kids, subconsciously (or consciously for that matter) feels that she can not fully focus on her job because "she also has to take care of her children" or he feels "sorry for the kids who need their mother". If she looks for a new job, she will do so from a position lower than warranted by her actual performance.

                                          • A black person is not graded fairly in his oral exam because he happened to come across an examiner who secretly holds racist views.

                                          • A smart kid from a poor family does not get good support at school, because her/his parents are busy to bring food on the table. It is expected hrom her/him to quickly find a paying job, because the family can not afford to maintan her/him in a higher eductation. At the same time a less gifted rich child will get all the support she/he needs by a paid tutor to attain good grades and will be supported financially by her/his parents during higher education.


                                          All these people are at a disvantantage in a recruitment process that does not factor in the systemic effect of race, gender and other bias that is still present in our society.



                                          You can even go further and say that only if you make sure that the composition of your workforce matches the one of society, you can truly install a meritocratic system. Structures tend to perpetuate themselves. A less diverse workforce will tend to remain like this, while on the other hand, a more diverse workforce will also stay more diverse.



                                          When your company is as diverse as society on all hierarchy levels, then it will be visible to everyone that anyone can make it to any position in the company. Only then you can truly hire people only based on their skills, because everyone, the hirer and the hiree will be aware that other non-related factors will not matter. Until then you will have to compensate for structural disadvantages of some applicants in your hiring process. The goal can not be to hire for diversity forever, but only when and as much as structural disadvantages are reflected in the company's workforce.






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                                          • I don't believe you understand what meritocracy means by the examples given. You are also portraying the need of providing same outcomes instead of providing the same opportunities, which goes the opposite direction of what meritocracy is.

                                            – fireshark519
                                            54 mins ago











                                          • @fireshark519: My whole point is that you can not provide equal opportunities in isolation. The problem is that you can not hiere based on opportunity when the system doesn't provide that. You can take a look at an individual case and say "I have hired the best one for this position based only on merit.". But when your company has a non-diverse workforce, it is a sign that you are not providing equal opportunity. The outcome is a symptom of the problem.

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                                          You are assuming that when you are installing a system of true meritocracy will make any focus on diversity unnecessary, since skill does not depend on race or gender. Since skill actually does not depend on race and gender, this assumption sounds good in theory, but it does not hold up in the real world.



                                          You can install a system of "true meritocracy" in your company and try to inforce it with all kind of measures, but the truth is that it is impossible to build such a bubble and completely isolate it from the real world.



                                          In our society there are many ways how people can be disadvantaged by race, gender, wealth, social group etc. Here are some examples:




                                          • A woman who has kids is working on a part-time contract outperforms her coworkers on full-time contract, but her manager, whose wife stays at home with the kids, subconsciously (or consciously for that matter) feels that she can not fully focus on her job because "she also has to take care of her children" or he feels "sorry for the kids who need their mother". If she looks for a new job, she will do so from a position lower than warranted by her actual performance.

                                          • A black person is not graded fairly in his oral exam because he happened to come across an examiner who secretly holds racist views.

                                          • A smart kid from a poor family does not get good support at school, because her/his parents are busy to bring food on the table. It is expected hrom her/him to quickly find a paying job, because the family can not afford to maintan her/him in a higher eductation. At the same time a less gifted rich child will get all the support she/he needs by a paid tutor to attain good grades and will be supported financially by her/his parents during higher education.


                                          All these people are at a disvantantage in a recruitment process that does not factor in the systemic effect of race, gender and other bias that is still present in our society.



                                          You can even go further and say that only if you make sure that the composition of your workforce matches the one of society, you can truly install a meritocratic system. Structures tend to perpetuate themselves. A less diverse workforce will tend to remain like this, while on the other hand, a more diverse workforce will also stay more diverse.



                                          When your company is as diverse as society on all hierarchy levels, then it will be visible to everyone that anyone can make it to any position in the company. Only then you can truly hire people only based on their skills, because everyone, the hirer and the hiree will be aware that other non-related factors will not matter. Until then you will have to compensate for structural disadvantages of some applicants in your hiring process. The goal can not be to hire for diversity forever, but only when and as much as structural disadvantages are reflected in the company's workforce.






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                                          You are assuming that when you are installing a system of true meritocracy will make any focus on diversity unnecessary, since skill does not depend on race or gender. Since skill actually does not depend on race and gender, this assumption sounds good in theory, but it does not hold up in the real world.



                                          You can install a system of "true meritocracy" in your company and try to inforce it with all kind of measures, but the truth is that it is impossible to build such a bubble and completely isolate it from the real world.



                                          In our society there are many ways how people can be disadvantaged by race, gender, wealth, social group etc. Here are some examples:




                                          • A woman who has kids is working on a part-time contract outperforms her coworkers on full-time contract, but her manager, whose wife stays at home with the kids, subconsciously (or consciously for that matter) feels that she can not fully focus on her job because "she also has to take care of her children" or he feels "sorry for the kids who need their mother". If she looks for a new job, she will do so from a position lower than warranted by her actual performance.

                                          • A black person is not graded fairly in his oral exam because he happened to come across an examiner who secretly holds racist views.

                                          • A smart kid from a poor family does not get good support at school, because her/his parents are busy to bring food on the table. It is expected hrom her/him to quickly find a paying job, because the family can not afford to maintan her/him in a higher eductation. At the same time a less gifted rich child will get all the support she/he needs by a paid tutor to attain good grades and will be supported financially by her/his parents during higher education.


                                          All these people are at a disvantantage in a recruitment process that does not factor in the systemic effect of race, gender and other bias that is still present in our society.



                                          You can even go further and say that only if you make sure that the composition of your workforce matches the one of society, you can truly install a meritocratic system. Structures tend to perpetuate themselves. A less diverse workforce will tend to remain like this, while on the other hand, a more diverse workforce will also stay more diverse.



                                          When your company is as diverse as society on all hierarchy levels, then it will be visible to everyone that anyone can make it to any position in the company. Only then you can truly hire people only based on their skills, because everyone, the hirer and the hiree will be aware that other non-related factors will not matter. Until then you will have to compensate for structural disadvantages of some applicants in your hiring process. The goal can not be to hire for diversity forever, but only when and as much as structural disadvantages are reflected in the company's workforce.







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                                          • I don't believe you understand what meritocracy means by the examples given. You are also portraying the need of providing same outcomes instead of providing the same opportunities, which goes the opposite direction of what meritocracy is.

                                            – fireshark519
                                            54 mins ago











                                          • @fireshark519: My whole point is that you can not provide equal opportunities in isolation. The problem is that you can not hiere based on opportunity when the system doesn't provide that. You can take a look at an individual case and say "I have hired the best one for this position based only on merit.". But when your company has a non-diverse workforce, it is a sign that you are not providing equal opportunity. The outcome is a symptom of the problem.

                                            – Sefe
                                            9 mins ago



















                                          • I don't believe you understand what meritocracy means by the examples given. You are also portraying the need of providing same outcomes instead of providing the same opportunities, which goes the opposite direction of what meritocracy is.

                                            – fireshark519
                                            54 mins ago











                                          • @fireshark519: My whole point is that you can not provide equal opportunities in isolation. The problem is that you can not hiere based on opportunity when the system doesn't provide that. You can take a look at an individual case and say "I have hired the best one for this position based only on merit.". But when your company has a non-diverse workforce, it is a sign that you are not providing equal opportunity. The outcome is a symptom of the problem.

                                            – Sefe
                                            9 mins ago

















                                          I don't believe you understand what meritocracy means by the examples given. You are also portraying the need of providing same outcomes instead of providing the same opportunities, which goes the opposite direction of what meritocracy is.

                                          – fireshark519
                                          54 mins ago





                                          I don't believe you understand what meritocracy means by the examples given. You are also portraying the need of providing same outcomes instead of providing the same opportunities, which goes the opposite direction of what meritocracy is.

                                          – fireshark519
                                          54 mins ago













                                          @fireshark519: My whole point is that you can not provide equal opportunities in isolation. The problem is that you can not hiere based on opportunity when the system doesn't provide that. You can take a look at an individual case and say "I have hired the best one for this position based only on merit.". But when your company has a non-diverse workforce, it is a sign that you are not providing equal opportunity. The outcome is a symptom of the problem.

                                          – Sefe
                                          9 mins ago





                                          @fireshark519: My whole point is that you can not provide equal opportunities in isolation. The problem is that you can not hiere based on opportunity when the system doesn't provide that. You can take a look at an individual case and say "I have hired the best one for this position based only on merit.". But when your company has a non-diverse workforce, it is a sign that you are not providing equal opportunity. The outcome is a symptom of the problem.

                                          – Sefe
                                          9 mins ago


















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