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Since travel by bike a lot, and use my phone very often during those trips, I tried designing a USB phone bikecharger that would use my bike-dynamo that also powers my lamp.

Yesterday, I did my first tests. Without load, the circuit would give me 9,3V (even when the wheel was not spinning, which was a surprise to me :) ). With a 47 Ohm load, it would still give 9.3V. This is way too much for USB ofcourse, but 47Ohm is still quite big I think.

When a 10Ohm load was applied (I assumed 5V USB-voltage, 500mA charge current --> 10 ohm), the voltage dropped to 3,5V (it kept quite stable, it didn't fluctuate all that much. It seems the wheel speed doesn't influence the output voltage, except for when it spins too slow and the voltage is cut off entirely. I assume this is some kind of protection mechanism in the dynamo?).

So here's my question: what would happen is I were to attach a phone to this charger?

My guess is that 3.5V is not enough to overcome the internal resistance of the phone battery, so it will be blocked a few ms, but because of the open circuit, the voltage will rise to 5V and that will eventually be enough to charge. So in practice, it will just charge with a lower current (same as charging your phone on the USB-port of a netbook. Those often can't provide enough current, and the phone just charges slowly).

Is my guess right?

What are the risks of charging a phone-battery with too little voltage?

Should I worry about the charger outputting 9V when the phone battery is full? Because there won't be any load anymore then.

Thanks in advance!

ps. I also checked the signal with an oscilloscope to check the purity of the DC, and it was pretty clean. There were no big spikes and the level was quite stable. (I didn't try to pitch pennies on noise-supressing capacitors ;) )

Edit: added my schematic

EDIT2: J3 in the schematic is an LM2596 Buck module, using a MP1584 step-down regulator.

First of all, the USB is not being fed directly to the phone’s battery. It’s actually being fed to the battery charger circuitry inside the phone. You cannot safely directly connect a normal regulated voltage source to a lithium ion battery without the distinct possibility of an explosion and/or fire! The charger circuitry adjusts the voltage and current fed to the battery depending on the state of charge.

Then, your question becomes what happens when you feed incorrect voltage into a phone’s charger circuitry. This would depend on the specific model, but we can generalize. With too low voltage, such as 3.5 volts, the phone will probably ignore it and refuse to charge. With too high voltage, such as 9.3 volts, the phone is likely to either shut down to protect itself or be damaged by the excessive voltage.

Your circuitry, which you have not really described, is totally unsuited to charging a mobile phone! You have a good chance of seriously damaging its circuitry. You should probably find a commercially produced buck/boost module, capable of taking in the maximum voltage from your dynamo and outputting a stable 5 volts at 500 ma, or whatever your phone needs.

Obviously you have not any data of how your phone's USB connection is specified except it's USB. Don't risk your phone, the voltage must be 5V if you haven't better data. Too low voltage doesn't harm - except there's no charging, but 9V probably does. Have a voltage regulator, even 7805 with a couple of capacitors can be ok altough it wastes nearly half of the energy. A switching buck converter would be better in that sense. I do not recommend building them by yourself if you are not experienced electronics hobbyist who understands also the math of those circuits.