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Why is it that Bernie Sanders always called a “socialist”?
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As a German I really don't get calling Bernie Sanders a socialist. In every country in Europe he would be a social democrat at best, but somehow in America he's a "socialist" and "communist" you shoul be afraid of...
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As a German I really don't get calling Bernie Sanders a socialist. In every country in Europe he would be a social democrat at best, but somehow in America he's a "socialist" and "communist" you shoul be afraid of...
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Basically Bernie Sanders used the wrong term and it stuck. For some unfathomable reason, he refers to himself as a socialist while espousing policies that are clearly social Democrat in line with most European states. He has done himself no favors. If he had said social democrat, he wouldn't have received as much McCarthy-ist style attacks. He is definitely espousing a European style model rather than a Venezuelan style model. Because of his mistake, the term's meaning has changed, and now others like AOC are calling themselves socialists too even though they're not.
The DSA themselves also describe themselves in terms that sound a lot more like social democracy than democratic socialism.
answered 1 hour ago
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This answer could be easily improved by adding a quote from Sanders where he describes himself as a socialist. Another improvement which would be even better but a lot more work would be to find some examples of key policies suggested by Sanders, definitions of both socialism and social democracy, and how those policies fit the latter definition but not the first.
– Philipp♦
10 mins ago
Are you certain that it is a mistake on his part? I know that his stated policy objectives when examined closely just seem to be to make the current welfare state bigger rather than to change who owns the means of production, but couldn't that be posturing because he's running for President? He has a long history of being affiliated with socialist groups and affinity for actual socialism, e.g. the USSR where he spent some time vacationing.
– Joe
8 mins ago
@Joe That would be the logical fallacy "guilt by association". If one wants to prove that Sanders is a socialist (in the USSR definition) one should look at his political actions and concrete policy proposals, not at where and with whom he spends time.
– Philipp♦
5 mins ago
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Basically Bernie Sanders used the wrong term and it stuck. For some unfathomable reason, he refers to himself as a socialist while espousing policies that are clearly social Democrat in line with most European states. He has done himself no favors. If he had said social democrat, he wouldn't have received as much McCarthy-ist style attacks. He is definitely espousing a European style model rather than a Venezuelan style model. Because of his mistake, the term's meaning has changed, and now others like AOC are calling themselves socialists too even though they're not.
The DSA themselves also describe themselves in terms that sound a lot more like social democracy than democratic socialism.
answered 1 hour ago
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This answer could be easily improved by adding a quote from Sanders where he describes himself as a socialist. Another improvement which would be even better but a lot more work would be to find some examples of key policies suggested by Sanders, definitions of both socialism and social democracy, and how those policies fit the latter definition but not the first.
– Philipp♦
10 mins ago
Are you certain that it is a mistake on his part? I know that his stated policy objectives when examined closely just seem to be to make the current welfare state bigger rather than to change who owns the means of production, but couldn't that be posturing because he's running for President? He has a long history of being affiliated with socialist groups and affinity for actual socialism, e.g. the USSR where he spent some time vacationing.
– Joe
8 mins ago
@Joe That would be the logical fallacy "guilt by association". If one wants to prove that Sanders is a socialist (in the USSR definition) one should look at his political actions and concrete policy proposals, not at where and with whom he spends time.
– Philipp♦
5 mins ago
add a comment |
Basically Bernie Sanders used the wrong term and it stuck. For some unfathomable reason, he refers to himself as a socialist while espousing policies that are clearly social Democrat in line with most European states. He has done himself no favors. If he had said social democrat, he wouldn't have received as much McCarthy-ist style attacks. He is definitely espousing a European style model rather than a Venezuelan style model. Because of his mistake, the term's meaning has changed, and now others like AOC are calling themselves socialists too even though they're not.
The DSA themselves also describe themselves in terms that sound a lot more like social democracy than democratic socialism.
answered 1 hour ago
IcarianIcarian
1,9032516
This answer could be easily improved by adding a quote from Sanders where he describes himself as a socialist. Another improvement which would be even better but a lot more work would be to find some examples of key policies suggested by Sanders, definitions of both socialism and social democracy, and how those policies fit the latter definition but not the first.
– Philipp♦
10 mins ago
Are you certain that it is a mistake on his part? I know that his stated policy objectives when examined closely just seem to be to make the current welfare state bigger rather than to change who owns the means of production, but couldn't that be posturing because he's running for President? He has a long history of being affiliated with socialist groups and affinity for actual socialism, e.g. the USSR where he spent some time vacationing.
– Joe
8 mins ago
@Joe That would be the logical fallacy "guilt by association". If one wants to prove that Sanders is a socialist (in the USSR definition) one should look at his political actions and concrete policy proposals, not at where and with whom he spends time.
– Philipp♦
5 mins ago
add a comment |
Basically Bernie Sanders used the wrong term and it stuck. For some unfathomable reason, he refers to himself as a socialist while espousing policies that are clearly social Democrat in line with most European states. He has done himself no favors. If he had said social democrat, he wouldn't have received as much McCarthy-ist style attacks. He is definitely espousing a European style model rather than a Venezuelan style model. Because of his mistake, the term's meaning has changed, and now others like AOC are calling themselves socialists too even though they're not.
The DSA themselves also describe themselves in terms that sound a lot more like social democracy than democratic socialism.
answered 1 hour ago
IcarianIcarian
1,9032516
Basically Bernie Sanders used the wrong term and it stuck. For some unfathomable reason, he refers to himself as a socialist while espousing policies that are clearly social Democrat in line with most European states. He has done himself no favors. If he had said social democrat, he wouldn't have received as much McCarthy-ist style attacks. He is definitely espousing a European style model rather than a Venezuelan style model. Because of his mistake, the term's meaning has changed, and now others like AOC are calling themselves socialists too even though they're not.
The DSA themselves also describe themselves in terms that sound a lot more like social democracy than democratic socialism.
answered 1 hour ago
IcarianIcarian
1,9032516
answered 1 hour ago
IcarianIcarian
1,9032516
answered 1 hour ago
IcarianIcarian
1,9032516
answered 1 hour ago
IcarianIcarian
1,9032516
1,9032516
This answer could be easily improved by adding a quote from Sanders where he describes himself as a socialist. Another improvement which would be even better but a lot more work would be to find some examples of key policies suggested by Sanders, definitions of both socialism and social democracy, and how those policies fit the latter definition but not the first.
– Philipp♦
10 mins ago
Are you certain that it is a mistake on his part? I know that his stated policy objectives when examined closely just seem to be to make the current welfare state bigger rather than to change who owns the means of production, but couldn't that be posturing because he's running for President? He has a long history of being affiliated with socialist groups and affinity for actual socialism, e.g. the USSR where he spent some time vacationing.
– Joe
8 mins ago
@Joe That would be the logical fallacy "guilt by association". If one wants to prove that Sanders is a socialist (in the USSR definition) one should look at his political actions and concrete policy proposals, not at where and with whom he spends time.
– Philipp♦
5 mins ago
add a comment |
This answer could be easily improved by adding a quote from Sanders where he describes himself as a socialist. Another improvement which would be even better but a lot more work would be to find some examples of key policies suggested by Sanders, definitions of both socialism and social democracy, and how those policies fit the latter definition but not the first.
– Philipp♦
10 mins ago
Are you certain that it is a mistake on his part? I know that his stated policy objectives when examined closely just seem to be to make the current welfare state bigger rather than to change who owns the means of production, but couldn't that be posturing because he's running for President? He has a long history of being affiliated with socialist groups and affinity for actual socialism, e.g. the USSR where he spent some time vacationing.
– Joe
8 mins ago
@Joe That would be the logical fallacy "guilt by association". If one wants to prove that Sanders is a socialist (in the USSR definition) one should look at his political actions and concrete policy proposals, not at where and with whom he spends time.
– Philipp♦
5 mins ago
This answer could be easily improved by adding a quote from Sanders where he describes himself as a socialist. Another improvement which would be even better but a lot more work would be to find some examples of key policies suggested by Sanders, definitions of both socialism and social democracy, and how those policies fit the latter definition but not the first.
– Philipp♦
10 mins ago
This answer could be easily improved by adding a quote from Sanders where he describes himself as a socialist. Another improvement which would be even better but a lot more work would be to find some examples of key policies suggested by Sanders, definitions of both socialism and social democracy, and how those policies fit the latter definition but not the first.
– Philipp♦
10 mins ago
Are you certain that it is a mistake on his part? I know that his stated policy objectives when examined closely just seem to be to make the current welfare state bigger rather than to change who owns the means of production, but couldn't that be posturing because he's running for President? He has a long history of being affiliated with socialist groups and affinity for actual socialism, e.g. the USSR where he spent some time vacationing.
– Joe
8 mins ago
Are you certain that it is a mistake on his part? I know that his stated policy objectives when examined closely just seem to be to make the current welfare state bigger rather than to change who owns the means of production, but couldn't that be posturing because he's running for President? He has a long history of being affiliated with socialist groups and affinity for actual socialism, e.g. the USSR where he spent some time vacationing.
– Joe
8 mins ago
@Joe That would be the logical fallacy "guilt by association". If one wants to prove that Sanders is a socialist (in the USSR definition) one should look at his political actions and concrete policy proposals, not at where and with whom he spends time.
– Philipp♦
5 mins ago
@Joe That would be the logical fallacy "guilt by association". If one wants to prove that Sanders is a socialist (in the USSR definition) one should look at his political actions and concrete policy proposals, not at where and with whom he spends time.
– Philipp♦
5 mins ago
add a comment |
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