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How to transport 10,000 terrestrial trolls across ocean fast?
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Trolls are about 30 meters tall on average and can weigh anything between 100 to 200 short tons at sea level. They can only be found to inhabit an island somewhere in the Pacific ocean and are in imminent danger as the volcano is going to erupt at any moment. We must act fast to save them using modern day technology. They can't float, let alone swim, and they are extremely hostile when approached. We need to get them to safety on another island halfway around the globe where they won't endanger anyone. Any solution? I expect zero casualties, short traveling time, and no need to break a bank.
Note: the only scientific miracle is the trolls, hurry time is running out! I have a team with elephant tranquilizer on standby, the effect only last 48 hours and repeated administering of the drug have shown to lead to cardiac arrest for these troll.
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Trolls are about 30 meters tall on average and can weigh anything between 100 to 200 short tons at sea level. They can only be found to inhabit an island somewhere in the Pacific ocean and are in imminent danger as the volcano is going to erupt at any moment. We must act fast to save them using modern day technology. They can't float, let alone swim, and they are extremely hostile when approached. We need to get them to safety on another island halfway around the globe where they won't endanger anyone. Any solution? I expect zero casualties, short traveling time, and no need to break a bank.
Note: the only scientific miracle is the trolls, hurry time is running out! I have a team with elephant tranquilizer on standby, the effect only last 48 hours and repeated administering of the drug have shown to lead to cardiac arrest for these troll.
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1 short ton is approximately 907 kg.
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– StephenG
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Are extremely hostile Does this mean they need to be subdued and will resist being taken ? Because that's an entirely different problem from moving them.
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@StephenG: yes I'm afraid they aren't very cooperative.
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Then you need to supply some idea of how they are to be subdued ? They're not our trolls and it's not our scenario. You are expected to provide details - enough to work out some ideas. How does someone subdue one of your trolls ? What is required ?
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To all my fans: do not assume that you must tackle all the constraints at once, just prioritize on evacuation and please don't waste my darts!
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Trolls are about 30 meters tall on average and can weigh anything between 100 to 200 short tons at sea level. They can only be found to inhabit an island somewhere in the Pacific ocean and are in imminent danger as the volcano is going to erupt at any moment. We must act fast to save them using modern day technology. They can't float, let alone swim, and they are extremely hostile when approached. We need to get them to safety on another island halfway around the globe where they won't endanger anyone. Any solution? I expect zero casualties, short traveling time, and no need to break a bank.
Note: the only scientific miracle is the trolls, hurry time is running out! I have a team with elephant tranquilizer on standby, the effect only last 48 hours and repeated administering of the drug have shown to lead to cardiac arrest for these troll.
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Trolls are about 30 meters tall on average and can weigh anything between 100 to 200 short tons at sea level. They can only be found to inhabit an island somewhere in the Pacific ocean and are in imminent danger as the volcano is going to erupt at any moment. We must act fast to save them using modern day technology. They can't float, let alone swim, and they are extremely hostile when approached. We need to get them to safety on another island halfway around the globe where they won't endanger anyone. Any solution? I expect zero casualties, short traveling time, and no need to break a bank.
Note: the only scientific miracle is the trolls, hurry time is running out! I have a team with elephant tranquilizer on standby, the effect only last 48 hours and repeated administering of the drug have shown to lead to cardiac arrest for these troll.
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1 short ton is approximately 907 kg.
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– StephenG
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Are extremely hostile Does this mean they need to be subdued and will resist being taken ? Because that's an entirely different problem from moving them.
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– StephenG
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@StephenG: yes I'm afraid they aren't very cooperative.
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– user6760
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Then you need to supply some idea of how they are to be subdued ? They're not our trolls and it's not our scenario. You are expected to provide details - enough to work out some ideas. How does someone subdue one of your trolls ? What is required ?
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To all my fans: do not assume that you must tackle all the constraints at once, just prioritize on evacuation and please don't waste my darts!
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1 short ton is approximately 907 kg.
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– StephenG
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Are extremely hostile Does this mean they need to be subdued and will resist being taken ? Because that's an entirely different problem from moving them.
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– StephenG
6 hours ago
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@StephenG: yes I'm afraid they aren't very cooperative.
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– user6760
6 hours ago
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Then you need to supply some idea of how they are to be subdued ? They're not our trolls and it's not our scenario. You are expected to provide details - enough to work out some ideas. How does someone subdue one of your trolls ? What is required ?
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– StephenG
5 hours ago
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To all my fans: do not assume that you must tackle all the constraints at once, just prioritize on evacuation and please don't waste my darts!
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– user6760
4 hours ago
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1 short ton is approximately 907 kg.
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– StephenG
6 hours ago
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1 short ton is approximately 907 kg.
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– StephenG
6 hours ago
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Are extremely hostile Does this mean they need to be subdued and will resist being taken ? Because that's an entirely different problem from moving them.
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– StephenG
6 hours ago
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Are extremely hostile Does this mean they need to be subdued and will resist being taken ? Because that's an entirely different problem from moving them.
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– StephenG
6 hours ago
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@StephenG: yes I'm afraid they aren't very cooperative.
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– user6760
6 hours ago
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@StephenG: yes I'm afraid they aren't very cooperative.
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– user6760
6 hours ago
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Then you need to supply some idea of how they are to be subdued ? They're not our trolls and it's not our scenario. You are expected to provide details - enough to work out some ideas. How does someone subdue one of your trolls ? What is required ?
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– StephenG
5 hours ago
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Then you need to supply some idea of how they are to be subdued ? They're not our trolls and it's not our scenario. You are expected to provide details - enough to work out some ideas. How does someone subdue one of your trolls ? What is required ?
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– StephenG
5 hours ago
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To all my fans: do not assume that you must tackle all the constraints at once, just prioritize on evacuation and please don't waste my darts!
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– user6760
4 hours ago
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To all my fans: do not assume that you must tackle all the constraints at once, just prioritize on evacuation and please don't waste my darts!
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First of all, harvest a good amount of sedative. However you transport them, the least thing you want is having 100-200 tons shaking your carrier.
Then you have two options:
Antonov An-225 Mriya: with a Max takeoff weight of 640,000 kg and a cargo hold 43.35 m (142.2 ft) long × 6.4 m (21 ft) wide × 4.4 m (14 ft) tall, you can use it to transport one troll at a time, traveling at 800 km/h to a range of 4000 km.
TI class supercontainers, currently the four largest ships in the world: they can each carry 3166353 barrels of oil, which roughly correspond to 392627772 kg, or 432798 short tons (about 4000 trolls), at 30 km/h.
I hope it is clear that option 2 is the most effective: the Antonov would require 10000 trips, while the TI class could do the job in just 3 trips (there are 4 of them, how lucky!).
"Just" make sure that the trolls are sleeping for the entire length of the trip. Those supercontainers are designed assuming that the oil won't smash the walls in hanger.
How you get to put them on the carrier is another problem, and for sure I cannot ensure 0 casualties.
answered 5 hours ago
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How would you get a sedated troll into the ship? How would you convince an unsedated troll to climb into a stinky messy room of oil residue, piled high on top of other unconscious trolls? I also challenge your using weight as a measure here, since they'd suffocate if packed in completely and even that wouldn't be the same density as oil.
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@Cyn, I could use your same animosity for commenting your answer: or are trolls more willing to board a Nimitz class?
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Damn straight you can. My answer completely doesn't work. I don't think there is any answer that will, with the constraints as given by the OP and modern day tech. I wasn't trying to show animosity (it's late here), just that every answer has serious problems. Mine as much as yours. (I upvoted yours earlier too...it's a smart solution, even if I don't think it will work.)
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@Cyn, no offense taken. Tones are easily misunderstood. OP is asking about transport, and about transport I am trying to answer. The accessory problems are, as said, accessory.
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– L.Dutch♦
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@Cyn too: we should prioritise on evacuating the trolls first, of course I'm not expecting to get all of them half way round the globe in one go we can transit as many time during night time when they fall asleep to reduce wasting my darts. (Ultimately I just want to keep them from extinction)
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Frame challenge
You say the trolls can't float. However ...
Average human mass - 50 kg
Average human height - 173 cm
Average troll mass - 907 kg
Average troll height - 3000 cm
By the square cube law, the trolls weigh very little compared to their height. They will float easily.
If you are worried they are not waterproof then wrap them in polythene or varnish them. Then tow them behind ships.
Calculation
Assume for the moment that trolls are made of human flesh which is neutrally buoyant in water.
An average troll is 17.3 times taller than an average human.
By the square/cube law, 17.3 times taller means 17.3 cubed times heavier = 5,177 times heavier
so trolls, if made of flesh should weigh 5177 * 50 = 258,850 kg
But they only weigh up to about 180,000 kg. Thus their density is at best 0.7 of human flesh so they will float easily.
Square/cube law - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square%E2%80%93cube_law
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Actually OP says they weight at least 100 times as that. But they would still float even in alcohol. I love this answer.
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@Renan - Oops - I'll amend the maths.
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From the monster compendium:
Regeneration: The troll regains 10 Hit Points at the start of its turn. If the troll takes acid or fire damage, this trait doesn't function at the start of the troll's next turn. The troll dies only if it starts its turn with 0 Hit Points and doesn't Regenerate.
The magma from the volcano is a legitimate threat to them, since it is hot enough to set organical matter in fire.
All you need to do is chopping them into little bits and loading the parts onto one of these:
They won't die of starvation, so time is not an issue. Just take your time to whatever destination you have in mind. You will need to keep grinding the little pieces on the way otherwise they will regenerate into full grown trolls.
Once in the destination just set them free and watch them regrow. You may even have more trolls now since you helped them reproduce:
Fission, in biology, is the division of a single entity into two or more parts and the regeneration of those parts into separate entities resembling the original.
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Container ship, Ro-Ro, bulk carrier... whatever ship(s) you can get cheaply and quickly...
For long term transport instead of using elephant tranquilliser (Carfentanil, is a risky opioid), use instead high dosage of first generation antipsychotic agents. They are cheap, (generic) tend to calm down otherwise furious patients very effectively and are mostly safe for long term use. They were tested on wild animals for facilitating their transport and seem fine for this purpose too.
(considering nasty side effects, better go away before those trolls get off those meds...)
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This won't work.
At least not with the speed you want. But your best bet is...
Aircraft carriers
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The United States has 10 Nimitz-class aircraft carriers. Each is designed for 6000 people. If the average person is 65 kg, that is 390,000 kg just in people weight, or 430 short tonnes. Let's call that 3 trolls.
Each carries 90 aircraft in the 6,800 kg range each. 6,800 x 90 = 612000 kg = 675 short tonnes = 5 trolls.
Take away other things the aircraft carrier can do without for a bit and add back some people and you're looking at about 10 trolls per trip per vessel. Or 100 trolls per trip for the 10 vessel fleet. And those 10 appear to be it for full fledged aircraft carriers, though there are 9 other smaller carriers.
Other countries have smaller ones. Russia has 1. UK none right now. France 1. India 2. Japan 3. Australia 2 (or more?). Italy 2. South Korea 1. Brazil 1. Spain 1. Thailand 1. For a total of 15. Assume an average of 6 trolls per trip (just a guess) and that's 90 more trolls per trip.
This brings our per trip total to 190 trolls (an estimate of course). Assuming that every country with an aircraft carrier is willing to loan them out for this purpose (after offloading all the planes).
It would take 52 trips to transport all 10,000 trolls off the island. Not counting their gear. And assuming they're willing to get on to the carriers. Which you've made clear they are not.
answered 5 hours ago
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Are your trolls stupid? Can they communicate with humans?
If the answers are no, and yes, then simply tell them. Make announcements through speakers on helicopters that the volcano is about to go and there are ships nearby for rescue.
If the answers are no and no, then simply have the ships make noise to draw their attention to the ships and wait for the volcano to erupt. In this case, keep the ships away from the shore till the volcano goes off. Remember to invest in light vessels to ferry the trolls to the ships. How to arrange the transfer from shore to lighter and lighter to ship is an exercise left to the rescuer.
If the answers are yes and no, then you're out of luck. It can't be done without a portal or something similar.
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the trolls will generally wants to avoid human contact and large body of water, loud noise will probably agitate them but no worry my team of professional will ensure they remains quiet throughout your plan at least before they wake up.
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– user6760
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@user6760: The point is to NOT put them to sleep,to avoid that 48 hour limit, as some of them will wake earlier/later than that. You do not want a disoriented troll rampaging in closed quarters; you'd probably lose the whole ship.
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Neutralize the volcano! This might be simpler than moving 10,000 massive, grumpy trolls.
How about a bunch of blimps/dirigibles? They can lift a couple hundred tons, and can get good top speeds in the right conditions, much faster than a ship low in the water with troll weight. Depending on how far it is, you might be able to drop off the sleepers before they wake up.
If they have a huge snorkel, can these guys survive walking on the ocean floor? They sound very tough and dense. It sounds like they don't like water much, but they might like water more than lava when the time comes.
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First of all, harvest a good amount of sedative. However you transport them, the least thing you want is having 100-200 tons shaking your carrier.
Then you have two options:
Antonov An-225 Mriya: with a Max takeoff weight of 640,000 kg and a cargo hold 43.35 m (142.2 ft) long × 6.4 m (21 ft) wide × 4.4 m (14 ft) tall, you can use it to transport one troll at a time, traveling at 800 km/h to a range of 4000 km.
TI class supercontainers, currently the four largest ships in the world: they can each carry 3166353 barrels of oil, which roughly correspond to 392627772 kg, or 432798 short tons (about 4000 trolls), at 30 km/h.
I hope it is clear that option 2 is the most effective: the Antonov would require 10000 trips, while the TI class could do the job in just 3 trips (there are 4 of them, how lucky!).
"Just" make sure that the trolls are sleeping for the entire length of the trip. Those supercontainers are designed assuming that the oil won't smash the walls in hanger.
How you get to put them on the carrier is another problem, and for sure I cannot ensure 0 casualties.
answered 5 hours ago
L.Dutch♦L.Dutch
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How would you get a sedated troll into the ship? How would you convince an unsedated troll to climb into a stinky messy room of oil residue, piled high on top of other unconscious trolls? I also challenge your using weight as a measure here, since they'd suffocate if packed in completely and even that wouldn't be the same density as oil.
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– Cyn
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@Cyn, I could use your same animosity for commenting your answer: or are trolls more willing to board a Nimitz class?
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– L.Dutch♦
5 hours ago
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Damn straight you can. My answer completely doesn't work. I don't think there is any answer that will, with the constraints as given by the OP and modern day tech. I wasn't trying to show animosity (it's late here), just that every answer has serious problems. Mine as much as yours. (I upvoted yours earlier too...it's a smart solution, even if I don't think it will work.)
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– Cyn
5 hours ago
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@Cyn, no offense taken. Tones are easily misunderstood. OP is asking about transport, and about transport I am trying to answer. The accessory problems are, as said, accessory.
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– L.Dutch♦
5 hours ago
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@Cyn too: we should prioritise on evacuating the trolls first, of course I'm not expecting to get all of them half way round the globe in one go we can transit as many time during night time when they fall asleep to reduce wasting my darts. (Ultimately I just want to keep them from extinction)
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– user6760
4 hours ago
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First of all, harvest a good amount of sedative. However you transport them, the least thing you want is having 100-200 tons shaking your carrier.
Then you have two options:
Antonov An-225 Mriya: with a Max takeoff weight of 640,000 kg and a cargo hold 43.35 m (142.2 ft) long × 6.4 m (21 ft) wide × 4.4 m (14 ft) tall, you can use it to transport one troll at a time, traveling at 800 km/h to a range of 4000 km.
TI class supercontainers, currently the four largest ships in the world: they can each carry 3166353 barrels of oil, which roughly correspond to 392627772 kg, or 432798 short tons (about 4000 trolls), at 30 km/h.
I hope it is clear that option 2 is the most effective: the Antonov would require 10000 trips, while the TI class could do the job in just 3 trips (there are 4 of them, how lucky!).
"Just" make sure that the trolls are sleeping for the entire length of the trip. Those supercontainers are designed assuming that the oil won't smash the walls in hanger.
How you get to put them on the carrier is another problem, and for sure I cannot ensure 0 casualties.
answered 5 hours ago
L.Dutch♦L.Dutch
84.7k28201414
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How would you get a sedated troll into the ship? How would you convince an unsedated troll to climb into a stinky messy room of oil residue, piled high on top of other unconscious trolls? I also challenge your using weight as a measure here, since they'd suffocate if packed in completely and even that wouldn't be the same density as oil.
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– Cyn
5 hours ago
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@Cyn, I could use your same animosity for commenting your answer: or are trolls more willing to board a Nimitz class?
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– L.Dutch♦
5 hours ago
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Damn straight you can. My answer completely doesn't work. I don't think there is any answer that will, with the constraints as given by the OP and modern day tech. I wasn't trying to show animosity (it's late here), just that every answer has serious problems. Mine as much as yours. (I upvoted yours earlier too...it's a smart solution, even if I don't think it will work.)
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– Cyn
5 hours ago
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@Cyn, no offense taken. Tones are easily misunderstood. OP is asking about transport, and about transport I am trying to answer. The accessory problems are, as said, accessory.
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– L.Dutch♦
5 hours ago
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@Cyn too: we should prioritise on evacuating the trolls first, of course I'm not expecting to get all of them half way round the globe in one go we can transit as many time during night time when they fall asleep to reduce wasting my darts. (Ultimately I just want to keep them from extinction)
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– user6760
4 hours ago
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First of all, harvest a good amount of sedative. However you transport them, the least thing you want is having 100-200 tons shaking your carrier.
Then you have two options:
Antonov An-225 Mriya: with a Max takeoff weight of 640,000 kg and a cargo hold 43.35 m (142.2 ft) long × 6.4 m (21 ft) wide × 4.4 m (14 ft) tall, you can use it to transport one troll at a time, traveling at 800 km/h to a range of 4000 km.
TI class supercontainers, currently the four largest ships in the world: they can each carry 3166353 barrels of oil, which roughly correspond to 392627772 kg, or 432798 short tons (about 4000 trolls), at 30 km/h.
I hope it is clear that option 2 is the most effective: the Antonov would require 10000 trips, while the TI class could do the job in just 3 trips (there are 4 of them, how lucky!).
"Just" make sure that the trolls are sleeping for the entire length of the trip. Those supercontainers are designed assuming that the oil won't smash the walls in hanger.
How you get to put them on the carrier is another problem, and for sure I cannot ensure 0 casualties.
answered 5 hours ago
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First of all, harvest a good amount of sedative. However you transport them, the least thing you want is having 100-200 tons shaking your carrier.
Then you have two options:
Antonov An-225 Mriya: with a Max takeoff weight of 640,000 kg and a cargo hold 43.35 m (142.2 ft) long × 6.4 m (21 ft) wide × 4.4 m (14 ft) tall, you can use it to transport one troll at a time, traveling at 800 km/h to a range of 4000 km.
TI class supercontainers, currently the four largest ships in the world: they can each carry 3166353 barrels of oil, which roughly correspond to 392627772 kg, or 432798 short tons (about 4000 trolls), at 30 km/h.
I hope it is clear that option 2 is the most effective: the Antonov would require 10000 trips, while the TI class could do the job in just 3 trips (there are 4 of them, how lucky!).
"Just" make sure that the trolls are sleeping for the entire length of the trip. Those supercontainers are designed assuming that the oil won't smash the walls in hanger.
How you get to put them on the carrier is another problem, and for sure I cannot ensure 0 casualties.
answered 5 hours ago
L.Dutch♦L.Dutch
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answered 5 hours ago
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answered 5 hours ago
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L.Dutch♦L.Dutch
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How would you get a sedated troll into the ship? How would you convince an unsedated troll to climb into a stinky messy room of oil residue, piled high on top of other unconscious trolls? I also challenge your using weight as a measure here, since they'd suffocate if packed in completely and even that wouldn't be the same density as oil.
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– Cyn
5 hours ago
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@Cyn, I could use your same animosity for commenting your answer: or are trolls more willing to board a Nimitz class?
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– L.Dutch♦
5 hours ago
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Damn straight you can. My answer completely doesn't work. I don't think there is any answer that will, with the constraints as given by the OP and modern day tech. I wasn't trying to show animosity (it's late here), just that every answer has serious problems. Mine as much as yours. (I upvoted yours earlier too...it's a smart solution, even if I don't think it will work.)
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– Cyn
5 hours ago
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@Cyn, no offense taken. Tones are easily misunderstood. OP is asking about transport, and about transport I am trying to answer. The accessory problems are, as said, accessory.
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– L.Dutch♦
5 hours ago
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@Cyn too: we should prioritise on evacuating the trolls first, of course I'm not expecting to get all of them half way round the globe in one go we can transit as many time during night time when they fall asleep to reduce wasting my darts. (Ultimately I just want to keep them from extinction)
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– user6760
4 hours ago
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How would you get a sedated troll into the ship? How would you convince an unsedated troll to climb into a stinky messy room of oil residue, piled high on top of other unconscious trolls? I also challenge your using weight as a measure here, since they'd suffocate if packed in completely and even that wouldn't be the same density as oil.
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– Cyn
5 hours ago
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@Cyn, I could use your same animosity for commenting your answer: or are trolls more willing to board a Nimitz class?
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– L.Dutch♦
5 hours ago
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Damn straight you can. My answer completely doesn't work. I don't think there is any answer that will, with the constraints as given by the OP and modern day tech. I wasn't trying to show animosity (it's late here), just that every answer has serious problems. Mine as much as yours. (I upvoted yours earlier too...it's a smart solution, even if I don't think it will work.)
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– Cyn
5 hours ago
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@Cyn, no offense taken. Tones are easily misunderstood. OP is asking about transport, and about transport I am trying to answer. The accessory problems are, as said, accessory.
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– L.Dutch♦
5 hours ago
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@Cyn too: we should prioritise on evacuating the trolls first, of course I'm not expecting to get all of them half way round the globe in one go we can transit as many time during night time when they fall asleep to reduce wasting my darts. (Ultimately I just want to keep them from extinction)
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– user6760
4 hours ago
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How would you get a sedated troll into the ship? How would you convince an unsedated troll to climb into a stinky messy room of oil residue, piled high on top of other unconscious trolls? I also challenge your using weight as a measure here, since they'd suffocate if packed in completely and even that wouldn't be the same density as oil.
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– Cyn
5 hours ago
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How would you get a sedated troll into the ship? How would you convince an unsedated troll to climb into a stinky messy room of oil residue, piled high on top of other unconscious trolls? I also challenge your using weight as a measure here, since they'd suffocate if packed in completely and even that wouldn't be the same density as oil.
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– Cyn
5 hours ago
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@Cyn, I could use your same animosity for commenting your answer: or are trolls more willing to board a Nimitz class?
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– L.Dutch♦
5 hours ago
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@Cyn, I could use your same animosity for commenting your answer: or are trolls more willing to board a Nimitz class?
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– L.Dutch♦
5 hours ago
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Damn straight you can. My answer completely doesn't work. I don't think there is any answer that will, with the constraints as given by the OP and modern day tech. I wasn't trying to show animosity (it's late here), just that every answer has serious problems. Mine as much as yours. (I upvoted yours earlier too...it's a smart solution, even if I don't think it will work.)
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– Cyn
5 hours ago
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Damn straight you can. My answer completely doesn't work. I don't think there is any answer that will, with the constraints as given by the OP and modern day tech. I wasn't trying to show animosity (it's late here), just that every answer has serious problems. Mine as much as yours. (I upvoted yours earlier too...it's a smart solution, even if I don't think it will work.)
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– Cyn
5 hours ago
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@Cyn, no offense taken. Tones are easily misunderstood. OP is asking about transport, and about transport I am trying to answer. The accessory problems are, as said, accessory.
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– L.Dutch♦
5 hours ago
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@Cyn, no offense taken. Tones are easily misunderstood. OP is asking about transport, and about transport I am trying to answer. The accessory problems are, as said, accessory.
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– L.Dutch♦
5 hours ago
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@Cyn too: we should prioritise on evacuating the trolls first, of course I'm not expecting to get all of them half way round the globe in one go we can transit as many time during night time when they fall asleep to reduce wasting my darts. (Ultimately I just want to keep them from extinction)
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– user6760
4 hours ago
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@Cyn too: we should prioritise on evacuating the trolls first, of course I'm not expecting to get all of them half way round the globe in one go we can transit as many time during night time when they fall asleep to reduce wasting my darts. (Ultimately I just want to keep them from extinction)
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– user6760
4 hours ago
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Frame challenge
You say the trolls can't float. However ...
Average human mass - 50 kg
Average human height - 173 cm
Average troll mass - 907 kg
Average troll height - 3000 cm
By the square cube law, the trolls weigh very little compared to their height. They will float easily.
If you are worried they are not waterproof then wrap them in polythene or varnish them. Then tow them behind ships.
Calculation
Assume for the moment that trolls are made of human flesh which is neutrally buoyant in water.
An average troll is 17.3 times taller than an average human.
By the square/cube law, 17.3 times taller means 17.3 cubed times heavier = 5,177 times heavier
so trolls, if made of flesh should weigh 5177 * 50 = 258,850 kg
But they only weigh up to about 180,000 kg. Thus their density is at best 0.7 of human flesh so they will float easily.
Square/cube law - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square%E2%80%93cube_law
answered 1 hour ago
chasly from UKchasly from UK
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Actually OP says they weight at least 100 times as that. But they would still float even in alcohol. I love this answer.
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– Renan
25 mins ago
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@Renan - Oops - I'll amend the maths.
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– chasly from UK
22 mins ago
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Frame challenge
You say the trolls can't float. However ...
Average human mass - 50 kg
Average human height - 173 cm
Average troll mass - 907 kg
Average troll height - 3000 cm
By the square cube law, the trolls weigh very little compared to their height. They will float easily.
If you are worried they are not waterproof then wrap them in polythene or varnish them. Then tow them behind ships.
Calculation
Assume for the moment that trolls are made of human flesh which is neutrally buoyant in water.
An average troll is 17.3 times taller than an average human.
By the square/cube law, 17.3 times taller means 17.3 cubed times heavier = 5,177 times heavier
so trolls, if made of flesh should weigh 5177 * 50 = 258,850 kg
But they only weigh up to about 180,000 kg. Thus their density is at best 0.7 of human flesh so they will float easily.
Square/cube law - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square%E2%80%93cube_law
answered 1 hour ago
chasly from UKchasly from UK
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Actually OP says they weight at least 100 times as that. But they would still float even in alcohol. I love this answer.
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– Renan
25 mins ago
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@Renan - Oops - I'll amend the maths.
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– chasly from UK
22 mins ago
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Frame challenge
You say the trolls can't float. However ...
Average human mass - 50 kg
Average human height - 173 cm
Average troll mass - 907 kg
Average troll height - 3000 cm
By the square cube law, the trolls weigh very little compared to their height. They will float easily.
If you are worried they are not waterproof then wrap them in polythene or varnish them. Then tow them behind ships.
Calculation
Assume for the moment that trolls are made of human flesh which is neutrally buoyant in water.
An average troll is 17.3 times taller than an average human.
By the square/cube law, 17.3 times taller means 17.3 cubed times heavier = 5,177 times heavier
so trolls, if made of flesh should weigh 5177 * 50 = 258,850 kg
But they only weigh up to about 180,000 kg. Thus their density is at best 0.7 of human flesh so they will float easily.
Square/cube law - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square%E2%80%93cube_law
answered 1 hour ago
chasly from UKchasly from UK
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Frame challenge
You say the trolls can't float. However ...
Average human mass - 50 kg
Average human height - 173 cm
Average troll mass - 907 kg
Average troll height - 3000 cm
By the square cube law, the trolls weigh very little compared to their height. They will float easily.
If you are worried they are not waterproof then wrap them in polythene or varnish them. Then tow them behind ships.
Calculation
Assume for the moment that trolls are made of human flesh which is neutrally buoyant in water.
An average troll is 17.3 times taller than an average human.
By the square/cube law, 17.3 times taller means 17.3 cubed times heavier = 5,177 times heavier
so trolls, if made of flesh should weigh 5177 * 50 = 258,850 kg
But they only weigh up to about 180,000 kg. Thus their density is at best 0.7 of human flesh so they will float easily.
Square/cube law - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square%E2%80%93cube_law
answered 1 hour ago
chasly from UKchasly from UK
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answered 1 hour ago
chasly from UKchasly from UK
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answered 1 hour ago
chasly from UKchasly from UK
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answered 1 hour ago
chasly from UKchasly from UK
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Actually OP says they weight at least 100 times as that. But they would still float even in alcohol. I love this answer.
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– Renan
25 mins ago
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@Renan - Oops - I'll amend the maths.
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– chasly from UK
22 mins ago
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Actually OP says they weight at least 100 times as that. But they would still float even in alcohol. I love this answer.
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– Renan
25 mins ago
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@Renan - Oops - I'll amend the maths.
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– chasly from UK
22 mins ago
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Actually OP says they weight at least 100 times as that. But they would still float even in alcohol. I love this answer.
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– Renan
25 mins ago
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Actually OP says they weight at least 100 times as that. But they would still float even in alcohol. I love this answer.
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– Renan
25 mins ago
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@Renan - Oops - I'll amend the maths.
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– chasly from UK
22 mins ago
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@Renan - Oops - I'll amend the maths.
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– chasly from UK
22 mins ago
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From the monster compendium:
Regeneration: The troll regains 10 Hit Points at the start of its turn. If the troll takes acid or fire damage, this trait doesn't function at the start of the troll's next turn. The troll dies only if it starts its turn with 0 Hit Points and doesn't Regenerate.
The magma from the volcano is a legitimate threat to them, since it is hot enough to set organical matter in fire.
All you need to do is chopping them into little bits and loading the parts onto one of these:
They won't die of starvation, so time is not an issue. Just take your time to whatever destination you have in mind. You will need to keep grinding the little pieces on the way otherwise they will regenerate into full grown trolls.
Once in the destination just set them free and watch them regrow. You may even have more trolls now since you helped them reproduce:
Fission, in biology, is the division of a single entity into two or more parts and the regeneration of those parts into separate entities resembling the original.
answered 27 mins ago
RenanRenan
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From the monster compendium:
Regeneration: The troll regains 10 Hit Points at the start of its turn. If the troll takes acid or fire damage, this trait doesn't function at the start of the troll's next turn. The troll dies only if it starts its turn with 0 Hit Points and doesn't Regenerate.
The magma from the volcano is a legitimate threat to them, since it is hot enough to set organical matter in fire.
All you need to do is chopping them into little bits and loading the parts onto one of these:
They won't die of starvation, so time is not an issue. Just take your time to whatever destination you have in mind. You will need to keep grinding the little pieces on the way otherwise they will regenerate into full grown trolls.
Once in the destination just set them free and watch them regrow. You may even have more trolls now since you helped them reproduce:
Fission, in biology, is the division of a single entity into two or more parts and the regeneration of those parts into separate entities resembling the original.
answered 27 mins ago
RenanRenan
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From the monster compendium:
Regeneration: The troll regains 10 Hit Points at the start of its turn. If the troll takes acid or fire damage, this trait doesn't function at the start of the troll's next turn. The troll dies only if it starts its turn with 0 Hit Points and doesn't Regenerate.
The magma from the volcano is a legitimate threat to them, since it is hot enough to set organical matter in fire.
All you need to do is chopping them into little bits and loading the parts onto one of these:
They won't die of starvation, so time is not an issue. Just take your time to whatever destination you have in mind. You will need to keep grinding the little pieces on the way otherwise they will regenerate into full grown trolls.
Once in the destination just set them free and watch them regrow. You may even have more trolls now since you helped them reproduce:
Fission, in biology, is the division of a single entity into two or more parts and the regeneration of those parts into separate entities resembling the original.
answered 27 mins ago
RenanRenan
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From the monster compendium:
Regeneration: The troll regains 10 Hit Points at the start of its turn. If the troll takes acid or fire damage, this trait doesn't function at the start of the troll's next turn. The troll dies only if it starts its turn with 0 Hit Points and doesn't Regenerate.
The magma from the volcano is a legitimate threat to them, since it is hot enough to set organical matter in fire.
All you need to do is chopping them into little bits and loading the parts onto one of these:
They won't die of starvation, so time is not an issue. Just take your time to whatever destination you have in mind. You will need to keep grinding the little pieces on the way otherwise they will regenerate into full grown trolls.
Once in the destination just set them free and watch them regrow. You may even have more trolls now since you helped them reproduce:
Fission, in biology, is the division of a single entity into two or more parts and the regeneration of those parts into separate entities resembling the original.
answered 27 mins ago
RenanRenan
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answered 27 mins ago
RenanRenan
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answered 27 mins ago
RenanRenan
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answered 27 mins ago
RenanRenan
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Container ship, Ro-Ro, bulk carrier... whatever ship(s) you can get cheaply and quickly...
For long term transport instead of using elephant tranquilliser (Carfentanil, is a risky opioid), use instead high dosage of first generation antipsychotic agents. They are cheap, (generic) tend to calm down otherwise furious patients very effectively and are mostly safe for long term use. They were tested on wild animals for facilitating their transport and seem fine for this purpose too.
(considering nasty side effects, better go away before those trolls get off those meds...)
answered 20 mins ago
Shadow1024Shadow1024
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Container ship, Ro-Ro, bulk carrier... whatever ship(s) you can get cheaply and quickly...
For long term transport instead of using elephant tranquilliser (Carfentanil, is a risky opioid), use instead high dosage of first generation antipsychotic agents. They are cheap, (generic) tend to calm down otherwise furious patients very effectively and are mostly safe for long term use. They were tested on wild animals for facilitating their transport and seem fine for this purpose too.
(considering nasty side effects, better go away before those trolls get off those meds...)
answered 20 mins ago
Shadow1024Shadow1024
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Container ship, Ro-Ro, bulk carrier... whatever ship(s) you can get cheaply and quickly...
For long term transport instead of using elephant tranquilliser (Carfentanil, is a risky opioid), use instead high dosage of first generation antipsychotic agents. They are cheap, (generic) tend to calm down otherwise furious patients very effectively and are mostly safe for long term use. They were tested on wild animals for facilitating their transport and seem fine for this purpose too.
(considering nasty side effects, better go away before those trolls get off those meds...)
answered 20 mins ago
Shadow1024Shadow1024
4,665933
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Container ship, Ro-Ro, bulk carrier... whatever ship(s) you can get cheaply and quickly...
For long term transport instead of using elephant tranquilliser (Carfentanil, is a risky opioid), use instead high dosage of first generation antipsychotic agents. They are cheap, (generic) tend to calm down otherwise furious patients very effectively and are mostly safe for long term use. They were tested on wild animals for facilitating their transport and seem fine for this purpose too.
(considering nasty side effects, better go away before those trolls get off those meds...)
answered 20 mins ago
Shadow1024Shadow1024
4,665933
answered 20 mins ago
Shadow1024Shadow1024
4,665933
answered 20 mins ago
Shadow1024Shadow1024
4,665933
answered 20 mins ago
Shadow1024Shadow1024
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This won't work.
At least not with the speed you want. But your best bet is...
Aircraft carriers
(ref)
The United States has 10 Nimitz-class aircraft carriers. Each is designed for 6000 people. If the average person is 65 kg, that is 390,000 kg just in people weight, or 430 short tonnes. Let's call that 3 trolls.
Each carries 90 aircraft in the 6,800 kg range each. 6,800 x 90 = 612000 kg = 675 short tonnes = 5 trolls.
Take away other things the aircraft carrier can do without for a bit and add back some people and you're looking at about 10 trolls per trip per vessel. Or 100 trolls per trip for the 10 vessel fleet. And those 10 appear to be it for full fledged aircraft carriers, though there are 9 other smaller carriers.
Other countries have smaller ones. Russia has 1. UK none right now. France 1. India 2. Japan 3. Australia 2 (or more?). Italy 2. South Korea 1. Brazil 1. Spain 1. Thailand 1. For a total of 15. Assume an average of 6 trolls per trip (just a guess) and that's 90 more trolls per trip.
This brings our per trip total to 190 trolls (an estimate of course). Assuming that every country with an aircraft carrier is willing to loan them out for this purpose (after offloading all the planes).
It would take 52 trips to transport all 10,000 trolls off the island. Not counting their gear. And assuming they're willing to get on to the carriers. Which you've made clear they are not.
answered 5 hours ago
CynCyn
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This won't work.
At least not with the speed you want. But your best bet is...
Aircraft carriers
(ref)
The United States has 10 Nimitz-class aircraft carriers. Each is designed for 6000 people. If the average person is 65 kg, that is 390,000 kg just in people weight, or 430 short tonnes. Let's call that 3 trolls.
Each carries 90 aircraft in the 6,800 kg range each. 6,800 x 90 = 612000 kg = 675 short tonnes = 5 trolls.
Take away other things the aircraft carrier can do without for a bit and add back some people and you're looking at about 10 trolls per trip per vessel. Or 100 trolls per trip for the 10 vessel fleet. And those 10 appear to be it for full fledged aircraft carriers, though there are 9 other smaller carriers.
Other countries have smaller ones. Russia has 1. UK none right now. France 1. India 2. Japan 3. Australia 2 (or more?). Italy 2. South Korea 1. Brazil 1. Spain 1. Thailand 1. For a total of 15. Assume an average of 6 trolls per trip (just a guess) and that's 90 more trolls per trip.
This brings our per trip total to 190 trolls (an estimate of course). Assuming that every country with an aircraft carrier is willing to loan them out for this purpose (after offloading all the planes).
It would take 52 trips to transport all 10,000 trolls off the island. Not counting their gear. And assuming they're willing to get on to the carriers. Which you've made clear they are not.
answered 5 hours ago
CynCyn
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This won't work.
At least not with the speed you want. But your best bet is...
Aircraft carriers
(ref)
The United States has 10 Nimitz-class aircraft carriers. Each is designed for 6000 people. If the average person is 65 kg, that is 390,000 kg just in people weight, or 430 short tonnes. Let's call that 3 trolls.
Each carries 90 aircraft in the 6,800 kg range each. 6,800 x 90 = 612000 kg = 675 short tonnes = 5 trolls.
Take away other things the aircraft carrier can do without for a bit and add back some people and you're looking at about 10 trolls per trip per vessel. Or 100 trolls per trip for the 10 vessel fleet. And those 10 appear to be it for full fledged aircraft carriers, though there are 9 other smaller carriers.
Other countries have smaller ones. Russia has 1. UK none right now. France 1. India 2. Japan 3. Australia 2 (or more?). Italy 2. South Korea 1. Brazil 1. Spain 1. Thailand 1. For a total of 15. Assume an average of 6 trolls per trip (just a guess) and that's 90 more trolls per trip.
This brings our per trip total to 190 trolls (an estimate of course). Assuming that every country with an aircraft carrier is willing to loan them out for this purpose (after offloading all the planes).
It would take 52 trips to transport all 10,000 trolls off the island. Not counting their gear. And assuming they're willing to get on to the carriers. Which you've made clear they are not.
answered 5 hours ago
CynCyn
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This won't work.
At least not with the speed you want. But your best bet is...
Aircraft carriers
(ref)
The United States has 10 Nimitz-class aircraft carriers. Each is designed for 6000 people. If the average person is 65 kg, that is 390,000 kg just in people weight, or 430 short tonnes. Let's call that 3 trolls.
Each carries 90 aircraft in the 6,800 kg range each. 6,800 x 90 = 612000 kg = 675 short tonnes = 5 trolls.
Take away other things the aircraft carrier can do without for a bit and add back some people and you're looking at about 10 trolls per trip per vessel. Or 100 trolls per trip for the 10 vessel fleet. And those 10 appear to be it for full fledged aircraft carriers, though there are 9 other smaller carriers.
Other countries have smaller ones. Russia has 1. UK none right now. France 1. India 2. Japan 3. Australia 2 (or more?). Italy 2. South Korea 1. Brazil 1. Spain 1. Thailand 1. For a total of 15. Assume an average of 6 trolls per trip (just a guess) and that's 90 more trolls per trip.
This brings our per trip total to 190 trolls (an estimate of course). Assuming that every country with an aircraft carrier is willing to loan them out for this purpose (after offloading all the planes).
It would take 52 trips to transport all 10,000 trolls off the island. Not counting their gear. And assuming they're willing to get on to the carriers. Which you've made clear they are not.
answered 5 hours ago
CynCyn
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answered 5 hours ago
CynCyn
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answered 5 hours ago
CynCyn
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answered 5 hours ago
CynCyn
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Are your trolls stupid? Can they communicate with humans?
If the answers are no, and yes, then simply tell them. Make announcements through speakers on helicopters that the volcano is about to go and there are ships nearby for rescue.
If the answers are no and no, then simply have the ships make noise to draw their attention to the ships and wait for the volcano to erupt. In this case, keep the ships away from the shore till the volcano goes off. Remember to invest in light vessels to ferry the trolls to the ships. How to arrange the transfer from shore to lighter and lighter to ship is an exercise left to the rescuer.
If the answers are yes and no, then you're out of luck. It can't be done without a portal or something similar.
answered 5 hours ago
nzamannzaman
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the trolls will generally wants to avoid human contact and large body of water, loud noise will probably agitate them but no worry my team of professional will ensure they remains quiet throughout your plan at least before they wake up.
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– user6760
4 hours ago
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@user6760: The point is to NOT put them to sleep,to avoid that 48 hour limit, as some of them will wake earlier/later than that. You do not want a disoriented troll rampaging in closed quarters; you'd probably lose the whole ship.
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– nzaman
4 hours ago
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Are your trolls stupid? Can they communicate with humans?
If the answers are no, and yes, then simply tell them. Make announcements through speakers on helicopters that the volcano is about to go and there are ships nearby for rescue.
If the answers are no and no, then simply have the ships make noise to draw their attention to the ships and wait for the volcano to erupt. In this case, keep the ships away from the shore till the volcano goes off. Remember to invest in light vessels to ferry the trolls to the ships. How to arrange the transfer from shore to lighter and lighter to ship is an exercise left to the rescuer.
If the answers are yes and no, then you're out of luck. It can't be done without a portal or something similar.
answered 5 hours ago
nzamannzaman
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the trolls will generally wants to avoid human contact and large body of water, loud noise will probably agitate them but no worry my team of professional will ensure they remains quiet throughout your plan at least before they wake up.
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– user6760
4 hours ago
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@user6760: The point is to NOT put them to sleep,to avoid that 48 hour limit, as some of them will wake earlier/later than that. You do not want a disoriented troll rampaging in closed quarters; you'd probably lose the whole ship.
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– nzaman
4 hours ago
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Are your trolls stupid? Can they communicate with humans?
If the answers are no, and yes, then simply tell them. Make announcements through speakers on helicopters that the volcano is about to go and there are ships nearby for rescue.
If the answers are no and no, then simply have the ships make noise to draw their attention to the ships and wait for the volcano to erupt. In this case, keep the ships away from the shore till the volcano goes off. Remember to invest in light vessels to ferry the trolls to the ships. How to arrange the transfer from shore to lighter and lighter to ship is an exercise left to the rescuer.
If the answers are yes and no, then you're out of luck. It can't be done without a portal or something similar.
answered 5 hours ago
nzamannzaman
9,71311547
$endgroup$
Are your trolls stupid? Can they communicate with humans?
If the answers are no, and yes, then simply tell them. Make announcements through speakers on helicopters that the volcano is about to go and there are ships nearby for rescue.
If the answers are no and no, then simply have the ships make noise to draw their attention to the ships and wait for the volcano to erupt. In this case, keep the ships away from the shore till the volcano goes off. Remember to invest in light vessels to ferry the trolls to the ships. How to arrange the transfer from shore to lighter and lighter to ship is an exercise left to the rescuer.
If the answers are yes and no, then you're out of luck. It can't be done without a portal or something similar.
answered 5 hours ago
nzamannzaman
9,71311547
answered 5 hours ago
nzamannzaman
9,71311547
answered 5 hours ago
nzamannzaman
9,71311547
answered 5 hours ago
nzamannzaman
9,71311547
9,71311547
$begingroup$
the trolls will generally wants to avoid human contact and large body of water, loud noise will probably agitate them but no worry my team of professional will ensure they remains quiet throughout your plan at least before they wake up.
$endgroup$
– user6760
4 hours ago
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@user6760: The point is to NOT put them to sleep,to avoid that 48 hour limit, as some of them will wake earlier/later than that. You do not want a disoriented troll rampaging in closed quarters; you'd probably lose the whole ship.
$endgroup$
– nzaman
4 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
the trolls will generally wants to avoid human contact and large body of water, loud noise will probably agitate them but no worry my team of professional will ensure they remains quiet throughout your plan at least before they wake up.
$endgroup$
– user6760
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@user6760: The point is to NOT put them to sleep,to avoid that 48 hour limit, as some of them will wake earlier/later than that. You do not want a disoriented troll rampaging in closed quarters; you'd probably lose the whole ship.
$endgroup$
– nzaman
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
the trolls will generally wants to avoid human contact and large body of water, loud noise will probably agitate them but no worry my team of professional will ensure they remains quiet throughout your plan at least before they wake up.
$endgroup$
– user6760
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
the trolls will generally wants to avoid human contact and large body of water, loud noise will probably agitate them but no worry my team of professional will ensure they remains quiet throughout your plan at least before they wake up.
$endgroup$
– user6760
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@user6760: The point is to NOT put them to sleep,to avoid that 48 hour limit, as some of them will wake earlier/later than that. You do not want a disoriented troll rampaging in closed quarters; you'd probably lose the whole ship.
$endgroup$
– nzaman
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@user6760: The point is to NOT put them to sleep,to avoid that 48 hour limit, as some of them will wake earlier/later than that. You do not want a disoriented troll rampaging in closed quarters; you'd probably lose the whole ship.
$endgroup$
– nzaman
4 hours ago
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Neutralize the volcano! This might be simpler than moving 10,000 massive, grumpy trolls.
How about a bunch of blimps/dirigibles? They can lift a couple hundred tons, and can get good top speeds in the right conditions, much faster than a ship low in the water with troll weight. Depending on how far it is, you might be able to drop off the sleepers before they wake up.
If they have a huge snorkel, can these guys survive walking on the ocean floor? They sound very tough and dense. It sounds like they don't like water much, but they might like water more than lava when the time comes.
answered 3 hours ago
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Neutralize the volcano! This might be simpler than moving 10,000 massive, grumpy trolls.
How about a bunch of blimps/dirigibles? They can lift a couple hundred tons, and can get good top speeds in the right conditions, much faster than a ship low in the water with troll weight. Depending on how far it is, you might be able to drop off the sleepers before they wake up.
If they have a huge snorkel, can these guys survive walking on the ocean floor? They sound very tough and dense. It sounds like they don't like water much, but they might like water more than lava when the time comes.
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Neutralize the volcano! This might be simpler than moving 10,000 massive, grumpy trolls.
How about a bunch of blimps/dirigibles? They can lift a couple hundred tons, and can get good top speeds in the right conditions, much faster than a ship low in the water with troll weight. Depending on how far it is, you might be able to drop off the sleepers before they wake up.
If they have a huge snorkel, can these guys survive walking on the ocean floor? They sound very tough and dense. It sounds like they don't like water much, but they might like water more than lava when the time comes.
answered 3 hours ago
RAM804RAM804
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Neutralize the volcano! This might be simpler than moving 10,000 massive, grumpy trolls.
How about a bunch of blimps/dirigibles? They can lift a couple hundred tons, and can get good top speeds in the right conditions, much faster than a ship low in the water with troll weight. Depending on how far it is, you might be able to drop off the sleepers before they wake up.
If they have a huge snorkel, can these guys survive walking on the ocean floor? They sound very tough and dense. It sounds like they don't like water much, but they might like water more than lava when the time comes.
answered 3 hours ago
RAM804RAM804
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answered 3 hours ago
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– StephenG
6 hours ago
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Are extremely hostile Does this mean they need to be subdued and will resist being taken ? Because that's an entirely different problem from moving them.
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– StephenG
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@StephenG: yes I'm afraid they aren't very cooperative.
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– user6760
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Then you need to supply some idea of how they are to be subdued ? They're not our trolls and it's not our scenario. You are expected to provide details - enough to work out some ideas. How does someone subdue one of your trolls ? What is required ?
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– StephenG
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To all my fans: do not assume that you must tackle all the constraints at once, just prioritize on evacuation and please don't waste my darts!
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