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My university sent me an email informing me that, during a "periodic check", my password was found to be "easily discoverable and at risk of compromise". As I understand it, there shouldn't be a way for them to periodically check my password unless my password was stored in plaintext. My question:




  • Is my understanding wrong, or has my university been storing my password in plaintext?










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  • Contact the IT department just to make sure. Especially if you got it through email. Could be a phishing attempt.

    – TurkuSama
    6 hours ago






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    Perhaps they are cracking hashes? Perhaps they are using haveibeenpwned or something similar. Is your password fairly weak?

    – DarkMatter
    5 hours ago













  • It's a strong password, but doesn't have any numbers, I am assuming that's why they are flagging it as weak.

    – Gary Blake
    5 hours ago











  • How many characters is it? Does it use any english words? Have you reused it for anything else?

    – DarkMatter
    5 hours ago






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    could be easy for a dictionary attack depending on how it is constructed... but still it seems a little ambitious for your school's IT dept to be doing that :)

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    5 hours ago
















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My university sent me an email informing me that, during a "periodic check", my password was found to be "easily discoverable and at risk of compromise". As I understand it, there shouldn't be a way for them to periodically check my password unless my password was stored in plaintext. My question:




  • Is my understanding wrong, or has my university been storing my password in plaintext?










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  • Contact the IT department just to make sure. Especially if you got it through email. Could be a phishing attempt.

    – TurkuSama
    6 hours ago






  • 1





    Perhaps they are cracking hashes? Perhaps they are using haveibeenpwned or something similar. Is your password fairly weak?

    – DarkMatter
    5 hours ago













  • It's a strong password, but doesn't have any numbers, I am assuming that's why they are flagging it as weak.

    – Gary Blake
    5 hours ago











  • How many characters is it? Does it use any english words? Have you reused it for anything else?

    – DarkMatter
    5 hours ago






  • 1





    could be easy for a dictionary attack depending on how it is constructed... but still it seems a little ambitious for your school's IT dept to be doing that :)

    – DarkMatter
    5 hours ago














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My university sent me an email informing me that, during a "periodic check", my password was found to be "easily discoverable and at risk of compromise". As I understand it, there shouldn't be a way for them to periodically check my password unless my password was stored in plaintext. My question:




  • Is my understanding wrong, or has my university been storing my password in plaintext?










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My university sent me an email informing me that, during a "periodic check", my password was found to be "easily discoverable and at risk of compromise". As I understand it, there shouldn't be a way for them to periodically check my password unless my password was stored in plaintext. My question:




  • Is my understanding wrong, or has my university been storing my password in plaintext?







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  • Contact the IT department just to make sure. Especially if you got it through email. Could be a phishing attempt.

    – TurkuSama
    6 hours ago






  • 1





    Perhaps they are cracking hashes? Perhaps they are using haveibeenpwned or something similar. Is your password fairly weak?

    – DarkMatter
    5 hours ago













  • It's a strong password, but doesn't have any numbers, I am assuming that's why they are flagging it as weak.

    – Gary Blake
    5 hours ago











  • How many characters is it? Does it use any english words? Have you reused it for anything else?

    – DarkMatter
    5 hours ago






  • 1





    could be easy for a dictionary attack depending on how it is constructed... but still it seems a little ambitious for your school's IT dept to be doing that :)

    – DarkMatter
    5 hours ago



















  • Contact the IT department just to make sure. Especially if you got it through email. Could be a phishing attempt.

    – TurkuSama
    6 hours ago






  • 1





    Perhaps they are cracking hashes? Perhaps they are using haveibeenpwned or something similar. Is your password fairly weak?

    – DarkMatter
    5 hours ago













  • It's a strong password, but doesn't have any numbers, I am assuming that's why they are flagging it as weak.

    – Gary Blake
    5 hours ago











  • How many characters is it? Does it use any english words? Have you reused it for anything else?

    – DarkMatter
    5 hours ago






  • 1





    could be easy for a dictionary attack depending on how it is constructed... but still it seems a little ambitious for your school's IT dept to be doing that :)

    – DarkMatter
    5 hours ago

















Contact the IT department just to make sure. Especially if you got it through email. Could be a phishing attempt.

– TurkuSama
6 hours ago





Contact the IT department just to make sure. Especially if you got it through email. Could be a phishing attempt.

– TurkuSama
6 hours ago




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1





Perhaps they are cracking hashes? Perhaps they are using haveibeenpwned or something similar. Is your password fairly weak?

– DarkMatter
5 hours ago







Perhaps they are cracking hashes? Perhaps they are using haveibeenpwned or something similar. Is your password fairly weak?

– DarkMatter
5 hours ago















It's a strong password, but doesn't have any numbers, I am assuming that's why they are flagging it as weak.

– Gary Blake
5 hours ago





It's a strong password, but doesn't have any numbers, I am assuming that's why they are flagging it as weak.

– Gary Blake
5 hours ago













How many characters is it? Does it use any english words? Have you reused it for anything else?

– DarkMatter
5 hours ago





How many characters is it? Does it use any english words? Have you reused it for anything else?

– DarkMatter
5 hours ago




1




1





could be easy for a dictionary attack depending on how it is constructed... but still it seems a little ambitious for your school's IT dept to be doing that :)

– DarkMatter
5 hours ago





could be easy for a dictionary attack depending on how it is constructed... but still it seems a little ambitious for your school's IT dept to be doing that :)

– DarkMatter
5 hours ago










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Your university may not have stored your password in plaintext. They have a very easy way to get the plaintext of your password, and I suspect that they have access to it at least a couple times per day.



You give them your password as plaintext every time that you log on.



They may have used one of your login attempts to check if your password is secure.



However, it's still extremely fishy. Contact your university's IT department and verify that they are storing your password securely. Ask pointed questions on how they checked your password.



And the rest of my advice follows standard internet authentication advice: Do not click on any links in that email; if you do change your password, do so through normal means and not a link that was emailed to you. Use a password manager to store and generate long random passwords. (Ideally, you should only know 2 of your passwords: The one to log into your computer, and the one to log into your password manager.) Never reuse a password for any purpose.



And while you're talking to the university's IT department, ask them about 2-factor authentication.






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  • You give them your password as plaintext every time that you log on - uhh, can you explain that? It's hard for me to imagine a scenario where this is the case.

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There are a few assumptions that need to be made here, but what I would imagine that University Password that you refer to, is the password to an Active Directory account. Active Directory passwords deal with passwords in an NTLM hashing format, which are not salted. With this in mind, the same password in different environments will have the same hashed value.



Troy Hunt offers a service called Pwned Passwords that allows administrators to download 517 Million password hashes. It is possible that your school's IT department is comparing the password hashes in their Active Directory, with hashes that appear many times in the aforementioned data.



While storing passwords in plaintext does happen from time to time (mostly in proprietary web applications), the aforementioned scenario would be my assumption as to how they've determined your password is weak.






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    Your understanding is wrong. If passwords are stored as a strong salted hash, the administrator can’t find good user passwords, but can find ones that are on lists of commonly used passwords by applying the hash and salt to every password on the list and looking for a match. It’s a lot easier if the stored passwords aren’t salted, though, since in that case you only have to run it once and not once per user, so this may indicate that the stored passwords are not salted, which is contrary to best practice.






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      As I understand it, there shouldn't be a way for them to periodically check my password unless my password was stored in plaintext.




      Actually, there is: cracking.



      There is a known practice by which system administrators run cracking tools (John the Ripper, Hashcat, etc.) against the hashed passwords. People with simple passwords can be cracked in trivial amounts of time; therefore, as they define it, if they cracked your password, it was easily discoverable and at risk.



      To quote this article about John the Ripper:




      How you decide to use John is up to you. You may choose to run it on
      all the password hashes on your system regularly to get an idea of
      what proportion of your users' passwords are insecure. You could then
      consider how you could change your password policies to reduce that
      proportion (perhaps by increasing the minimum length.) You may prefer
      to contact users with weak passwords and ask them to change them.
      Or
      you may decide that the problem warrants some sort of user education
      program to help them select more secure passwords that they can
      remember without having to write them down.







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        Your university may not have stored your password in plaintext. They have a very easy way to get the plaintext of your password, and I suspect that they have access to it at least a couple times per day.



        You give them your password as plaintext every time that you log on.



        They may have used one of your login attempts to check if your password is secure.



        However, it's still extremely fishy. Contact your university's IT department and verify that they are storing your password securely. Ask pointed questions on how they checked your password.



        And the rest of my advice follows standard internet authentication advice: Do not click on any links in that email; if you do change your password, do so through normal means and not a link that was emailed to you. Use a password manager to store and generate long random passwords. (Ideally, you should only know 2 of your passwords: The one to log into your computer, and the one to log into your password manager.) Never reuse a password for any purpose.



        And while you're talking to the university's IT department, ask them about 2-factor authentication.






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        • You give them your password as plaintext every time that you log on - uhh, can you explain that? It's hard for me to imagine a scenario where this is the case.

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        Your university may not have stored your password in plaintext. They have a very easy way to get the plaintext of your password, and I suspect that they have access to it at least a couple times per day.



        You give them your password as plaintext every time that you log on.



        They may have used one of your login attempts to check if your password is secure.



        However, it's still extremely fishy. Contact your university's IT department and verify that they are storing your password securely. Ask pointed questions on how they checked your password.



        And the rest of my advice follows standard internet authentication advice: Do not click on any links in that email; if you do change your password, do so through normal means and not a link that was emailed to you. Use a password manager to store and generate long random passwords. (Ideally, you should only know 2 of your passwords: The one to log into your computer, and the one to log into your password manager.) Never reuse a password for any purpose.



        And while you're talking to the university's IT department, ask them about 2-factor authentication.






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        • You give them your password as plaintext every time that you log on - uhh, can you explain that? It's hard for me to imagine a scenario where this is the case.

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        Your university may not have stored your password in plaintext. They have a very easy way to get the plaintext of your password, and I suspect that they have access to it at least a couple times per day.



        You give them your password as plaintext every time that you log on.



        They may have used one of your login attempts to check if your password is secure.



        However, it's still extremely fishy. Contact your university's IT department and verify that they are storing your password securely. Ask pointed questions on how they checked your password.



        And the rest of my advice follows standard internet authentication advice: Do not click on any links in that email; if you do change your password, do so through normal means and not a link that was emailed to you. Use a password manager to store and generate long random passwords. (Ideally, you should only know 2 of your passwords: The one to log into your computer, and the one to log into your password manager.) Never reuse a password for any purpose.



        And while you're talking to the university's IT department, ask them about 2-factor authentication.






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        Your university may not have stored your password in plaintext. They have a very easy way to get the plaintext of your password, and I suspect that they have access to it at least a couple times per day.



        You give them your password as plaintext every time that you log on.



        They may have used one of your login attempts to check if your password is secure.



        However, it's still extremely fishy. Contact your university's IT department and verify that they are storing your password securely. Ask pointed questions on how they checked your password.



        And the rest of my advice follows standard internet authentication advice: Do not click on any links in that email; if you do change your password, do so through normal means and not a link that was emailed to you. Use a password manager to store and generate long random passwords. (Ideally, you should only know 2 of your passwords: The one to log into your computer, and the one to log into your password manager.) Never reuse a password for any purpose.



        And while you're talking to the university's IT department, ask them about 2-factor authentication.







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        • You give them your password as plaintext every time that you log on - uhh, can you explain that? It's hard for me to imagine a scenario where this is the case.

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        • You give them your password as plaintext every time that you log on - uhh, can you explain that? It's hard for me to imagine a scenario where this is the case.

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        You give them your password as plaintext every time that you log on - uhh, can you explain that? It's hard for me to imagine a scenario where this is the case.

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        You give them your password as plaintext every time that you log on - uhh, can you explain that? It's hard for me to imagine a scenario where this is the case.

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        There are a few assumptions that need to be made here, but what I would imagine that University Password that you refer to, is the password to an Active Directory account. Active Directory passwords deal with passwords in an NTLM hashing format, which are not salted. With this in mind, the same password in different environments will have the same hashed value.



        Troy Hunt offers a service called Pwned Passwords that allows administrators to download 517 Million password hashes. It is possible that your school's IT department is comparing the password hashes in their Active Directory, with hashes that appear many times in the aforementioned data.



        While storing passwords in plaintext does happen from time to time (mostly in proprietary web applications), the aforementioned scenario would be my assumption as to how they've determined your password is weak.






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          There are a few assumptions that need to be made here, but what I would imagine that University Password that you refer to, is the password to an Active Directory account. Active Directory passwords deal with passwords in an NTLM hashing format, which are not salted. With this in mind, the same password in different environments will have the same hashed value.



          Troy Hunt offers a service called Pwned Passwords that allows administrators to download 517 Million password hashes. It is possible that your school's IT department is comparing the password hashes in their Active Directory, with hashes that appear many times in the aforementioned data.



          While storing passwords in plaintext does happen from time to time (mostly in proprietary web applications), the aforementioned scenario would be my assumption as to how they've determined your password is weak.






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            There are a few assumptions that need to be made here, but what I would imagine that University Password that you refer to, is the password to an Active Directory account. Active Directory passwords deal with passwords in an NTLM hashing format, which are not salted. With this in mind, the same password in different environments will have the same hashed value.



            Troy Hunt offers a service called Pwned Passwords that allows administrators to download 517 Million password hashes. It is possible that your school's IT department is comparing the password hashes in their Active Directory, with hashes that appear many times in the aforementioned data.



            While storing passwords in plaintext does happen from time to time (mostly in proprietary web applications), the aforementioned scenario would be my assumption as to how they've determined your password is weak.






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            There are a few assumptions that need to be made here, but what I would imagine that University Password that you refer to, is the password to an Active Directory account. Active Directory passwords deal with passwords in an NTLM hashing format, which are not salted. With this in mind, the same password in different environments will have the same hashed value.



            Troy Hunt offers a service called Pwned Passwords that allows administrators to download 517 Million password hashes. It is possible that your school's IT department is comparing the password hashes in their Active Directory, with hashes that appear many times in the aforementioned data.



            While storing passwords in plaintext does happen from time to time (mostly in proprietary web applications), the aforementioned scenario would be my assumption as to how they've determined your password is weak.







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                Your understanding is wrong. If passwords are stored as a strong salted hash, the administrator can’t find good user passwords, but can find ones that are on lists of commonly used passwords by applying the hash and salt to every password on the list and looking for a match. It’s a lot easier if the stored passwords aren’t salted, though, since in that case you only have to run it once and not once per user, so this may indicate that the stored passwords are not salted, which is contrary to best practice.






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                  Your understanding is wrong. If passwords are stored as a strong salted hash, the administrator can’t find good user passwords, but can find ones that are on lists of commonly used passwords by applying the hash and salt to every password on the list and looking for a match. It’s a lot easier if the stored passwords aren’t salted, though, since in that case you only have to run it once and not once per user, so this may indicate that the stored passwords are not salted, which is contrary to best practice.






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                    Your understanding is wrong. If passwords are stored as a strong salted hash, the administrator can’t find good user passwords, but can find ones that are on lists of commonly used passwords by applying the hash and salt to every password on the list and looking for a match. It’s a lot easier if the stored passwords aren’t salted, though, since in that case you only have to run it once and not once per user, so this may indicate that the stored passwords are not salted, which is contrary to best practice.






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                    Your understanding is wrong. If passwords are stored as a strong salted hash, the administrator can’t find good user passwords, but can find ones that are on lists of commonly used passwords by applying the hash and salt to every password on the list and looking for a match. It’s a lot easier if the stored passwords aren’t salted, though, since in that case you only have to run it once and not once per user, so this may indicate that the stored passwords are not salted, which is contrary to best practice.







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                        As I understand it, there shouldn't be a way for them to periodically check my password unless my password was stored in plaintext.




                        Actually, there is: cracking.



                        There is a known practice by which system administrators run cracking tools (John the Ripper, Hashcat, etc.) against the hashed passwords. People with simple passwords can be cracked in trivial amounts of time; therefore, as they define it, if they cracked your password, it was easily discoverable and at risk.



                        To quote this article about John the Ripper:




                        How you decide to use John is up to you. You may choose to run it on
                        all the password hashes on your system regularly to get an idea of
                        what proportion of your users' passwords are insecure. You could then
                        consider how you could change your password policies to reduce that
                        proportion (perhaps by increasing the minimum length.) You may prefer
                        to contact users with weak passwords and ask them to change them.
                        Or
                        you may decide that the problem warrants some sort of user education
                        program to help them select more secure passwords that they can
                        remember without having to write them down.







                        share|improve this answer




























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                          As I understand it, there shouldn't be a way for them to periodically check my password unless my password was stored in plaintext.




                          Actually, there is: cracking.



                          There is a known practice by which system administrators run cracking tools (John the Ripper, Hashcat, etc.) against the hashed passwords. People with simple passwords can be cracked in trivial amounts of time; therefore, as they define it, if they cracked your password, it was easily discoverable and at risk.



                          To quote this article about John the Ripper:




                          How you decide to use John is up to you. You may choose to run it on
                          all the password hashes on your system regularly to get an idea of
                          what proportion of your users' passwords are insecure. You could then
                          consider how you could change your password policies to reduce that
                          proportion (perhaps by increasing the minimum length.) You may prefer
                          to contact users with weak passwords and ask them to change them.
                          Or
                          you may decide that the problem warrants some sort of user education
                          program to help them select more secure passwords that they can
                          remember without having to write them down.







                          share|improve this answer


























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                            As I understand it, there shouldn't be a way for them to periodically check my password unless my password was stored in plaintext.




                            Actually, there is: cracking.



                            There is a known practice by which system administrators run cracking tools (John the Ripper, Hashcat, etc.) against the hashed passwords. People with simple passwords can be cracked in trivial amounts of time; therefore, as they define it, if they cracked your password, it was easily discoverable and at risk.



                            To quote this article about John the Ripper:




                            How you decide to use John is up to you. You may choose to run it on
                            all the password hashes on your system regularly to get an idea of
                            what proportion of your users' passwords are insecure. You could then
                            consider how you could change your password policies to reduce that
                            proportion (perhaps by increasing the minimum length.) You may prefer
                            to contact users with weak passwords and ask them to change them.
                            Or
                            you may decide that the problem warrants some sort of user education
                            program to help them select more secure passwords that they can
                            remember without having to write them down.







                            share|improve this answer














                            As I understand it, there shouldn't be a way for them to periodically check my password unless my password was stored in plaintext.




                            Actually, there is: cracking.



                            There is a known practice by which system administrators run cracking tools (John the Ripper, Hashcat, etc.) against the hashed passwords. People with simple passwords can be cracked in trivial amounts of time; therefore, as they define it, if they cracked your password, it was easily discoverable and at risk.



                            To quote this article about John the Ripper:




                            How you decide to use John is up to you. You may choose to run it on
                            all the password hashes on your system regularly to get an idea of
                            what proportion of your users' passwords are insecure. You could then
                            consider how you could change your password policies to reduce that
                            proportion (perhaps by increasing the minimum length.) You may prefer
                            to contact users with weak passwords and ask them to change them.
                            Or
                            you may decide that the problem warrants some sort of user education
                            program to help them select more secure passwords that they can
                            remember without having to write them down.








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