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I have a Wizard who is level 5, currently running in a pirate campaign (homebrew), and I thought about some scams I could pull to earn the ship some extra coinage whenever we touched port to resupply or whatever. I have the School of Transmutation, and I was thinking of turning copper coins into silver ones using Minor Alchemy.
In the Player's Handbook it states that I can take a cubic foot of non-magical material and transform it into a different listed substance (wood, stone, iron, copper, silver).



Now, I talked to the DM and he said that that would be acceptable, as long as I do not abuse it. At later levels, I might (if this works, and assuming the DM approves) take it up a notch, like copper coins to gold coins.



However, we got to talking: just how many copper coins would it take to make a cubic foot? We know that 50 coins equal a pound, but... That is about it.



Is there any official rulings that I am missing or something really obvious I am overlooking?










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    I have a Wizard who is level 5, currently running in a pirate campaign (homebrew), and I thought about some scams I could pull to earn the ship some extra coinage whenever we touched port to resupply or whatever. I have the School of Transmutation, and I was thinking of turning copper coins into silver ones using Minor Alchemy.
    In the Player's Handbook it states that I can take a cubic foot of non-magical material and transform it into a different listed substance (wood, stone, iron, copper, silver).



    Now, I talked to the DM and he said that that would be acceptable, as long as I do not abuse it. At later levels, I might (if this works, and assuming the DM approves) take it up a notch, like copper coins to gold coins.



    However, we got to talking: just how many copper coins would it take to make a cubic foot? We know that 50 coins equal a pound, but... That is about it.



    Is there any official rulings that I am missing or something really obvious I am overlooking?










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      I have a Wizard who is level 5, currently running in a pirate campaign (homebrew), and I thought about some scams I could pull to earn the ship some extra coinage whenever we touched port to resupply or whatever. I have the School of Transmutation, and I was thinking of turning copper coins into silver ones using Minor Alchemy.
      In the Player's Handbook it states that I can take a cubic foot of non-magical material and transform it into a different listed substance (wood, stone, iron, copper, silver).



      Now, I talked to the DM and he said that that would be acceptable, as long as I do not abuse it. At later levels, I might (if this works, and assuming the DM approves) take it up a notch, like copper coins to gold coins.



      However, we got to talking: just how many copper coins would it take to make a cubic foot? We know that 50 coins equal a pound, but... That is about it.



      Is there any official rulings that I am missing or something really obvious I am overlooking?










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      I have a Wizard who is level 5, currently running in a pirate campaign (homebrew), and I thought about some scams I could pull to earn the ship some extra coinage whenever we touched port to resupply or whatever. I have the School of Transmutation, and I was thinking of turning copper coins into silver ones using Minor Alchemy.
      In the Player's Handbook it states that I can take a cubic foot of non-magical material and transform it into a different listed substance (wood, stone, iron, copper, silver).



      Now, I talked to the DM and he said that that would be acceptable, as long as I do not abuse it. At later levels, I might (if this works, and assuming the DM approves) take it up a notch, like copper coins to gold coins.



      However, we got to talking: just how many copper coins would it take to make a cubic foot? We know that 50 coins equal a pound, but... That is about it.



      Is there any official rulings that I am missing or something really obvious I am overlooking?







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          You can only transmute one coin at a time



          Other answers have given you good estimates of the number of coins that will fit in a cubic foot, but that doesn't matter for your purposes, because you're missing an important limitation of the Minor Alchemy feature: you can only transmute one object at a time:




          Starting at 2nd level when you select this school, you can temporarily alter the physical properties of one nonmagical object, [...] After 1 hour, or until you lose your concentration (as if you were concentrating on a spell), the material reverts to its original substance.




          So you can't transmute a pile of coins all at once. You can spend 10 minutes transmuting a single coin, but as soon as you transmute a second one, you will lose concentration on the first one, causing it to revert.






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            • Copper is 8.96 g per cm^3. That means a copper ingot with one cubic feet volume is 559 lbs.

            • A heap of copper coins is no solid ingot. As a first approximation, imagine there are stacks of cylinders. A cylinder 1" high and 1" in diameter has a volume of 0.78 cubic inches. (A coin is flatter, but think of it as stacks of a dozen or so.) That means the heap is 436 lbs.

            • 436 lbs. of coins are 21,800 copper pieces. Call it 20,000 because they won't be stacked and aligned perfectly.


            But there is a problem. This scheme will yield silver coins with the image of a copper coin. Everybody would suspect that it is a copper coin coated with a thin silver layer. Much smarter to take a mixed heap of copper goods and to transform them. This could include a few ingots, but also copper kettles and the like. Well, perhaps not copper roof slates, because nobody has silver roof slates.






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              27,950 coins



              A quick google "weight of a cubic foot of copper" showed 559 lbs.



              If 50 coins = 1 lb, then 559lbs = 27,950 coins



              "But what about shape/gaps???"



              You don't want silver coins with copper coin markings. You also don't want to try transmuting ~28,000 separate objects. You'll need to find a way to melt it down into a solid block, and sell it as raw material.



              Ironically, you could sell the block for legitimate silver coins, which you don't need to hold a transmutation spell on.



              Final note—you will probably never reach an inventory of 28,000 coins, nor will you be able to easily sell 650 lbs of silver (which is what a cubic foot of silver weighs), so you don't need to worry about weight and size for this strategy. The problems are more:




              1. How do we melt the copper coins?

              2. How do we sell the silver, get back on ship, set sail, and get out of the harbor before the transmutation runs out?

              3. How do we keep ahead of news of a transmutation scam?






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                It's worth noting that trade bars (and their relative sizes, for 2lb and 5lb bars) are listed in the DMG. In the Forgotten Realms (Waterdeep specifically) trade bars of up to 50lb are possible...but they are usually prohibitively expensive!
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              You can only transmute one coin at a time



              Other answers have given you good estimates of the number of coins that will fit in a cubic foot, but that doesn't matter for your purposes, because you're missing an important limitation of the Minor Alchemy feature: you can only transmute one object at a time:




              Starting at 2nd level when you select this school, you can temporarily alter the physical properties of one nonmagical object, [...] After 1 hour, or until you lose your concentration (as if you were concentrating on a spell), the material reverts to its original substance.




              So you can't transmute a pile of coins all at once. You can spend 10 minutes transmuting a single coin, but as soon as you transmute a second one, you will lose concentration on the first one, causing it to revert.






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                You can only transmute one coin at a time



                Other answers have given you good estimates of the number of coins that will fit in a cubic foot, but that doesn't matter for your purposes, because you're missing an important limitation of the Minor Alchemy feature: you can only transmute one object at a time:




                Starting at 2nd level when you select this school, you can temporarily alter the physical properties of one nonmagical object, [...] After 1 hour, or until you lose your concentration (as if you were concentrating on a spell), the material reverts to its original substance.




                So you can't transmute a pile of coins all at once. You can spend 10 minutes transmuting a single coin, but as soon as you transmute a second one, you will lose concentration on the first one, causing it to revert.






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                  You can only transmute one coin at a time



                  Other answers have given you good estimates of the number of coins that will fit in a cubic foot, but that doesn't matter for your purposes, because you're missing an important limitation of the Minor Alchemy feature: you can only transmute one object at a time:




                  Starting at 2nd level when you select this school, you can temporarily alter the physical properties of one nonmagical object, [...] After 1 hour, or until you lose your concentration (as if you were concentrating on a spell), the material reverts to its original substance.




                  So you can't transmute a pile of coins all at once. You can spend 10 minutes transmuting a single coin, but as soon as you transmute a second one, you will lose concentration on the first one, causing it to revert.






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                  You can only transmute one coin at a time



                  Other answers have given you good estimates of the number of coins that will fit in a cubic foot, but that doesn't matter for your purposes, because you're missing an important limitation of the Minor Alchemy feature: you can only transmute one object at a time:




                  Starting at 2nd level when you select this school, you can temporarily alter the physical properties of one nonmagical object, [...] After 1 hour, or until you lose your concentration (as if you were concentrating on a spell), the material reverts to its original substance.




                  So you can't transmute a pile of coins all at once. You can spend 10 minutes transmuting a single coin, but as soon as you transmute a second one, you will lose concentration on the first one, causing it to revert.







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                      • Copper is 8.96 g per cm^3. That means a copper ingot with one cubic feet volume is 559 lbs.

                      • A heap of copper coins is no solid ingot. As a first approximation, imagine there are stacks of cylinders. A cylinder 1" high and 1" in diameter has a volume of 0.78 cubic inches. (A coin is flatter, but think of it as stacks of a dozen or so.) That means the heap is 436 lbs.

                      • 436 lbs. of coins are 21,800 copper pieces. Call it 20,000 because they won't be stacked and aligned perfectly.


                      But there is a problem. This scheme will yield silver coins with the image of a copper coin. Everybody would suspect that it is a copper coin coated with a thin silver layer. Much smarter to take a mixed heap of copper goods and to transform them. This could include a few ingots, but also copper kettles and the like. Well, perhaps not copper roof slates, because nobody has silver roof slates.






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                        • Copper is 8.96 g per cm^3. That means a copper ingot with one cubic feet volume is 559 lbs.

                        • A heap of copper coins is no solid ingot. As a first approximation, imagine there are stacks of cylinders. A cylinder 1" high and 1" in diameter has a volume of 0.78 cubic inches. (A coin is flatter, but think of it as stacks of a dozen or so.) That means the heap is 436 lbs.

                        • 436 lbs. of coins are 21,800 copper pieces. Call it 20,000 because they won't be stacked and aligned perfectly.


                        But there is a problem. This scheme will yield silver coins with the image of a copper coin. Everybody would suspect that it is a copper coin coated with a thin silver layer. Much smarter to take a mixed heap of copper goods and to transform them. This could include a few ingots, but also copper kettles and the like. Well, perhaps not copper roof slates, because nobody has silver roof slates.






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                          • Copper is 8.96 g per cm^3. That means a copper ingot with one cubic feet volume is 559 lbs.

                          • A heap of copper coins is no solid ingot. As a first approximation, imagine there are stacks of cylinders. A cylinder 1" high and 1" in diameter has a volume of 0.78 cubic inches. (A coin is flatter, but think of it as stacks of a dozen or so.) That means the heap is 436 lbs.

                          • 436 lbs. of coins are 21,800 copper pieces. Call it 20,000 because they won't be stacked and aligned perfectly.


                          But there is a problem. This scheme will yield silver coins with the image of a copper coin. Everybody would suspect that it is a copper coin coated with a thin silver layer. Much smarter to take a mixed heap of copper goods and to transform them. This could include a few ingots, but also copper kettles and the like. Well, perhaps not copper roof slates, because nobody has silver roof slates.






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                          • Copper is 8.96 g per cm^3. That means a copper ingot with one cubic feet volume is 559 lbs.

                          • A heap of copper coins is no solid ingot. As a first approximation, imagine there are stacks of cylinders. A cylinder 1" high and 1" in diameter has a volume of 0.78 cubic inches. (A coin is flatter, but think of it as stacks of a dozen or so.) That means the heap is 436 lbs.

                          • 436 lbs. of coins are 21,800 copper pieces. Call it 20,000 because they won't be stacked and aligned perfectly.


                          But there is a problem. This scheme will yield silver coins with the image of a copper coin. Everybody would suspect that it is a copper coin coated with a thin silver layer. Much smarter to take a mixed heap of copper goods and to transform them. This could include a few ingots, but also copper kettles and the like. Well, perhaps not copper roof slates, because nobody has silver roof slates.







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                              27,950 coins



                              A quick google "weight of a cubic foot of copper" showed 559 lbs.



                              If 50 coins = 1 lb, then 559lbs = 27,950 coins



                              "But what about shape/gaps???"



                              You don't want silver coins with copper coin markings. You also don't want to try transmuting ~28,000 separate objects. You'll need to find a way to melt it down into a solid block, and sell it as raw material.



                              Ironically, you could sell the block for legitimate silver coins, which you don't need to hold a transmutation spell on.



                              Final note—you will probably never reach an inventory of 28,000 coins, nor will you be able to easily sell 650 lbs of silver (which is what a cubic foot of silver weighs), so you don't need to worry about weight and size for this strategy. The problems are more:




                              1. How do we melt the copper coins?

                              2. How do we sell the silver, get back on ship, set sail, and get out of the harbor before the transmutation runs out?

                              3. How do we keep ahead of news of a transmutation scam?






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                                It's worth noting that trade bars (and their relative sizes, for 2lb and 5lb bars) are listed in the DMG. In the Forgotten Realms (Waterdeep specifically) trade bars of up to 50lb are possible...but they are usually prohibitively expensive!
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                                I wish I could upvote this more than once, for all the problems listed!
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                                @illustro: Do trade bars have markings? It would make them impractical.
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                              27,950 coins



                              A quick google "weight of a cubic foot of copper" showed 559 lbs.



                              If 50 coins = 1 lb, then 559lbs = 27,950 coins



                              "But what about shape/gaps???"



                              You don't want silver coins with copper coin markings. You also don't want to try transmuting ~28,000 separate objects. You'll need to find a way to melt it down into a solid block, and sell it as raw material.



                              Ironically, you could sell the block for legitimate silver coins, which you don't need to hold a transmutation spell on.



                              Final note—you will probably never reach an inventory of 28,000 coins, nor will you be able to easily sell 650 lbs of silver (which is what a cubic foot of silver weighs), so you don't need to worry about weight and size for this strategy. The problems are more:




                              1. How do we melt the copper coins?

                              2. How do we sell the silver, get back on ship, set sail, and get out of the harbor before the transmutation runs out?

                              3. How do we keep ahead of news of a transmutation scam?






                              share|improve this answer








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                                It's worth noting that trade bars (and their relative sizes, for 2lb and 5lb bars) are listed in the DMG. In the Forgotten Realms (Waterdeep specifically) trade bars of up to 50lb are possible...but they are usually prohibitively expensive!
                                $endgroup$
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                                I wish I could upvote this more than once, for all the problems listed!
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                                – Matthieu M.
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                                @illustro: Do trade bars have markings? It would make them impractical.
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                              27,950 coins



                              A quick google "weight of a cubic foot of copper" showed 559 lbs.



                              If 50 coins = 1 lb, then 559lbs = 27,950 coins



                              "But what about shape/gaps???"



                              You don't want silver coins with copper coin markings. You also don't want to try transmuting ~28,000 separate objects. You'll need to find a way to melt it down into a solid block, and sell it as raw material.



                              Ironically, you could sell the block for legitimate silver coins, which you don't need to hold a transmutation spell on.



                              Final note—you will probably never reach an inventory of 28,000 coins, nor will you be able to easily sell 650 lbs of silver (which is what a cubic foot of silver weighs), so you don't need to worry about weight and size for this strategy. The problems are more:




                              1. How do we melt the copper coins?

                              2. How do we sell the silver, get back on ship, set sail, and get out of the harbor before the transmutation runs out?

                              3. How do we keep ahead of news of a transmutation scam?






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                              27,950 coins



                              A quick google "weight of a cubic foot of copper" showed 559 lbs.



                              If 50 coins = 1 lb, then 559lbs = 27,950 coins



                              "But what about shape/gaps???"



                              You don't want silver coins with copper coin markings. You also don't want to try transmuting ~28,000 separate objects. You'll need to find a way to melt it down into a solid block, and sell it as raw material.



                              Ironically, you could sell the block for legitimate silver coins, which you don't need to hold a transmutation spell on.



                              Final note—you will probably never reach an inventory of 28,000 coins, nor will you be able to easily sell 650 lbs of silver (which is what a cubic foot of silver weighs), so you don't need to worry about weight and size for this strategy. The problems are more:




                              1. How do we melt the copper coins?

                              2. How do we sell the silver, get back on ship, set sail, and get out of the harbor before the transmutation runs out?

                              3. How do we keep ahead of news of a transmutation scam?







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                                It's worth noting that trade bars (and their relative sizes, for 2lb and 5lb bars) are listed in the DMG. In the Forgotten Realms (Waterdeep specifically) trade bars of up to 50lb are possible...but they are usually prohibitively expensive!
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                                @illustro: Do trade bars have markings? It would make them impractical.
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                                – Matthieu M.
                                3 mins ago














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                                It's worth noting that trade bars (and their relative sizes, for 2lb and 5lb bars) are listed in the DMG. In the Forgotten Realms (Waterdeep specifically) trade bars of up to 50lb are possible...but they are usually prohibitively expensive!
                                $endgroup$
                                – illustro
                                13 mins ago










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                                I wish I could upvote this more than once, for all the problems listed!
                                $endgroup$
                                – Matthieu M.
                                4 mins ago










                              • $begingroup$
                                @illustro: Do trade bars have markings? It would make them impractical.
                                $endgroup$
                                – Matthieu M.
                                3 mins ago








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                              1




                              $begingroup$
                              It's worth noting that trade bars (and their relative sizes, for 2lb and 5lb bars) are listed in the DMG. In the Forgotten Realms (Waterdeep specifically) trade bars of up to 50lb are possible...but they are usually prohibitively expensive!
                              $endgroup$
                              – illustro
                              13 mins ago




                              $begingroup$
                              It's worth noting that trade bars (and their relative sizes, for 2lb and 5lb bars) are listed in the DMG. In the Forgotten Realms (Waterdeep specifically) trade bars of up to 50lb are possible...but they are usually prohibitively expensive!
                              $endgroup$
                              – illustro
                              13 mins ago












                              $begingroup$
                              I wish I could upvote this more than once, for all the problems listed!
                              $endgroup$
                              – Matthieu M.
                              4 mins ago




                              $begingroup$
                              I wish I could upvote this more than once, for all the problems listed!
                              $endgroup$
                              – Matthieu M.
                              4 mins ago












                              $begingroup$
                              @illustro: Do trade bars have markings? It would make them impractical.
                              $endgroup$
                              – Matthieu M.
                              3 mins ago




                              $begingroup$
                              @illustro: Do trade bars have markings? It would make them impractical.
                              $endgroup$
                              – Matthieu M.
                              3 mins ago










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