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How to fly a direct entry holding pattern when approaching from an awkward angle?

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If my course lies anywhere between 30 deg. adjacent to the 'direct entry' sector borders, do I fly the holding pattern as depicted below?

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The answer is yes, you would enter holding just as you depicted.

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To add to Michael Hall's answer, the direct entry is the one where you get straight on to the "racetrack" with minimum maneuvering and that is possible from anywhere within the direct entry sector. The other two entries involve initial maneuvering "off the racetrack" so to speak.

That entry diagram is a procedural convention, not a hard regulation you must follow exactly. The whole area is protected airspace, so it's not all that critical that you fly exactly this or exactly that as long as you stay in the protected airspace. You'll get dinged on a check ride for using a bad entry (using a sector's procedure while significantly outside of the boundary of that sector), but ATC would never bust you because you didn't follow the entry protocol perfectly, as long as you didn't leave the protected airspace and you got established properly without too much meandering around.

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The red arrow has me a little worried, as it cuts across 2 lanes of traffic in the pattern plus potentially a third if another plane was blue. I might try, if possible, to over fly the pattern and drop into the blue "slot" with a right turn, still above the pattern altitude. Look and see.

If clear, make a descending right turn into the pattern, entering at a 45 degree angle outside the pattern. This gives you an extra few looks and keeps you further away from departing traffic.

If not, circle higher up until clear. There should be no awkward angle is you use some
vertical and circle.

It would be very helpful to check with the airport and their normal traffic patterns, as these can vary, and practice with your instructor.

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  @ Robert DiGiovanni that's an instrument hold entry not an airport traffic pattern or circuit entry.
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  From red you can also over fly and make a descending left turn into a 45 degree entry if traffic allows.
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  @ John K would the aircraft be under traffic control for an instrument hold entry?
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  Yes it's an ATC clearance but generally you won't be close to an airport, and could be anywhere. You will just be cleared with instructions on what is the hold fix, and if not to an existing published hold, you will get the direction of the inbound hold track and whether it is a right or left racetrack pattern in the hold, and the time to expect a clearance out of the hold (this in case of comm failure). How you enter it is totally up to you. The entry sectors are a procedural convention, not a regulation.
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The answer is yes, you would enter holding just as you depicted.

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The answer is yes, you would enter holding just as you depicted.

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The answer is yes, you would enter holding just as you depicted.

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answered 1 hour ago

Michael HallMichael Hall

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To add to Michael Hall's answer, the direct entry is the one where you get straight on to the "racetrack" with minimum maneuvering and that is possible from anywhere within the direct entry sector. The other two entries involve initial maneuvering "off the racetrack" so to speak.

That entry diagram is a procedural convention, not a hard regulation you must follow exactly. The whole area is protected airspace, so it's not all that critical that you fly exactly this or exactly that as long as you stay in the protected airspace. You'll get dinged on a check ride for using a bad entry (using a sector's procedure while significantly outside of the boundary of that sector), but ATC would never bust you because you didn't follow the entry protocol perfectly, as long as you didn't leave the protected airspace and you got established properly without too much meandering around.

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answered 21 mins ago

John KJohn K

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To add to Michael Hall's answer, the direct entry is the one where you get straight on to the "racetrack" with minimum maneuvering and that is possible from anywhere within the direct entry sector. The other two entries involve initial maneuvering "off the racetrack" so to speak.

That entry diagram is a procedural convention, not a hard regulation you must follow exactly. The whole area is protected airspace, so it's not all that critical that you fly exactly this or exactly that as long as you stay in the protected airspace. You'll get dinged on a check ride for using a bad entry (using a sector's procedure while significantly outside of the boundary of that sector), but ATC would never bust you because you didn't follow the entry protocol perfectly, as long as you didn't leave the protected airspace and you got established properly without too much meandering around.

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answered 21 mins ago

John KJohn K

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$begingroup$

To add to Michael Hall's answer, the direct entry is the one where you get straight on to the "racetrack" with minimum maneuvering and that is possible from anywhere within the direct entry sector. The other two entries involve initial maneuvering "off the racetrack" so to speak.

That entry diagram is a procedural convention, not a hard regulation you must follow exactly. The whole area is protected airspace, so it's not all that critical that you fly exactly this or exactly that as long as you stay in the protected airspace. You'll get dinged on a check ride for using a bad entry (using a sector's procedure while significantly outside of the boundary of that sector), but ATC would never bust you because you didn't follow the entry protocol perfectly, as long as you didn't leave the protected airspace and you got established properly without too much meandering around.

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The red arrow has me a little worried, as it cuts across 2 lanes of traffic in the pattern plus potentially a third if another plane was blue. I might try, if possible, to over fly the pattern and drop into the blue "slot" with a right turn, still above the pattern altitude. Look and see.

If clear, make a descending right turn into the pattern, entering at a 45 degree angle outside the pattern. This gives you an extra few looks and keeps you further away from departing traffic.

If not, circle higher up until clear. There should be no awkward angle is you use some
vertical and circle.

It would be very helpful to check with the airport and their normal traffic patterns, as these can vary, and practice with your instructor.

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answered 49 mins ago

Robert DiGiovanniRobert DiGiovanni

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  @ Robert DiGiovanni that's an instrument hold entry not an airport traffic pattern or circuit entry.
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  – John K
  45 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  From red you can also over fly and make a descending left turn into a 45 degree entry if traffic allows.
  $endgroup$
  – Robert DiGiovanni
  44 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  @ John K would the aircraft be under traffic control for an instrument hold entry?
  $endgroup$
  – Robert DiGiovanni
  39 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  Yes it's an ATC clearance but generally you won't be close to an airport, and could be anywhere. You will just be cleared with instructions on what is the hold fix, and if not to an existing published hold, you will get the direction of the inbound hold track and whether it is a right or left racetrack pattern in the hold, and the time to expect a clearance out of the hold (this in case of comm failure). How you enter it is totally up to you. The entry sectors are a procedural convention, not a regulation.
  $endgroup$
  – John K
  34 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  Very good video on this at MzeroA.com. Thanks!
  $endgroup$
  – Robert DiGiovanni
  8 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  

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The red arrow has me a little worried, as it cuts across 2 lanes of traffic in the pattern plus potentially a third if another plane was blue. I might try, if possible, to over fly the pattern and drop into the blue "slot" with a right turn, still above the pattern altitude. Look and see.

If clear, make a descending right turn into the pattern, entering at a 45 degree angle outside the pattern. This gives you an extra few looks and keeps you further away from departing traffic.

If not, circle higher up until clear. There should be no awkward angle is you use some
vertical and circle.

It would be very helpful to check with the airport and their normal traffic patterns, as these can vary, and practice with your instructor.

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answered 49 mins ago

Robert DiGiovanniRobert DiGiovanni

2,2291316

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  @ Robert DiGiovanni that's an instrument hold entry not an airport traffic pattern or circuit entry.
  $endgroup$
  – John K
  45 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  From red you can also over fly and make a descending left turn into a 45 degree entry if traffic allows.
  $endgroup$
  – Robert DiGiovanni
  44 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  @ John K would the aircraft be under traffic control for an instrument hold entry?
  $endgroup$
  – Robert DiGiovanni
  39 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  Yes it's an ATC clearance but generally you won't be close to an airport, and could be anywhere. You will just be cleared with instructions on what is the hold fix, and if not to an existing published hold, you will get the direction of the inbound hold track and whether it is a right or left racetrack pattern in the hold, and the time to expect a clearance out of the hold (this in case of comm failure). How you enter it is totally up to you. The entry sectors are a procedural convention, not a regulation.
  $endgroup$
  – John K
  34 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  Very good video on this at MzeroA.com. Thanks!
  $endgroup$
  – Robert DiGiovanni
  8 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

$begingroup$

The red arrow has me a little worried, as it cuts across 2 lanes of traffic in the pattern plus potentially a third if another plane was blue. I might try, if possible, to over fly the pattern and drop into the blue "slot" with a right turn, still above the pattern altitude. Look and see.

If clear, make a descending right turn into the pattern, entering at a 45 degree angle outside the pattern. This gives you an extra few looks and keeps you further away from departing traffic.

If not, circle higher up until clear. There should be no awkward angle is you use some
vertical and circle.

It would be very helpful to check with the airport and their normal traffic patterns, as these can vary, and practice with your instructor.

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answered 49 mins ago

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