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Jupiter's moons in their closest point to Mars (when Jupiter is closest to the sun) are like 7 times the distance between Earth and Mars, and in a return journey they will farther away. Is there any chance to reach them in the following decades? I would like to know how far the technology for going there is in a one shot journey, once humans are able to go to Mars, how much will they have to improve (in other topic someone mentioned that something that consumes fuel is the proximity to the sun pulling and decelerating the spaceship, besides from Mars escaping the planet will consume less fuel) to reach Jupiter from Mars, and also, how about if it's possible to set a permanent base in Ceres, Pallas or Vesta, for at least a partial resupply, could that help or be feasible at all?










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      Jupiter's moons in their closest point to Mars (when Jupiter is closest to the sun) are like 7 times the distance between Earth and Mars, and in a return journey they will farther away. Is there any chance to reach them in the following decades? I would like to know how far the technology for going there is in a one shot journey, once humans are able to go to Mars, how much will they have to improve (in other topic someone mentioned that something that consumes fuel is the proximity to the sun pulling and decelerating the spaceship, besides from Mars escaping the planet will consume less fuel) to reach Jupiter from Mars, and also, how about if it's possible to set a permanent base in Ceres, Pallas or Vesta, for at least a partial resupply, could that help or be feasible at all?










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          Let's go back our old friend the Pork chop plotter. Earth to Jupiter using minimum fuel takes around 2 years and you get one opportunity per year, more or less, to get there. You can shorten the journey to perhaps 20 months with minimal extra fuel. The delta-V required at Earth (over and above escape velocity) is about 9.3 km/s (you can in theory aerobrake at Jupiter, although the velocities involved, and the radiation environment might make this a bit exciting).



          enter image description here



          Mars to Jupiter with minimal fuel takes longer. Intuitively I think this is because Mars' orbital velocity around the Sun is lower. Journey times are around 30 months, but the delta-V needed (again over and above Mars escape) is only about 6 km/s.



          A fully-fueled SpaceX Starship is expected to have about 9 km/s delta-V capability (with a very small payload) so it could reach Jupiter if refuelled in high elliptical Earth orbit, or possibly directly from the surface of Mars. Refueling in Low Mars orbit would certainly be enough.



          enter image description here



          Bases on asteroids seem unlikely to help much. Matching orbit with them is too hard and you probably still have to get the fuel there. If you could make fuel on Ceres that would be quite appealing in terms of delta-V and payload mass, although the mission would get still slower.



          TLDR: If you can make fuel on Mars, or on Ceres, it will help you move more payload to Jupiter without needing to launch insane amounts of fuel from Earth, but such missions are generally longer in duration than direct missions.






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            I whomped up a spreadsheet to compare scenarios like this: Hohmann.xls.



            Typing Earth into departure planet cell and Mars into destination planet I get

            Launch windows open each 2.14 years (synodic period)

            Trip time .71 years

            Delta V Low Earth Orbit to Low Mars Orbit: 5.7 km/s



            Earth to Mars numbers



            Typing Mars into departure planet and Jupiter into destination:

            Launch window: Each 2.23 years
            Trip time 3.1 years

            Delta V Low Mars Orbit to Jupiter Capture orbit: 4.4 km/s



            enter image description here



            Jupiter capture orbit has periapsis 300 km above Jupiter's cloud tops and apoapsis about 4.8 million kilometers.



            Matching orbit with a moon would take more. Altitude of Jupiter's larger moons can be found in cells J27 to J30. For example setting Jupiter's destination orbit at Europa's altitude boosts delta V to more than 10 km/s. This doesn't take into account Europa's gravity.



            Due to Jupiter's strong magnetic field Jupiter's moons suffer from a very harsh radiation environment.



            Caveat: My spreadsheet assumes circular, coplanar orbits. So accuracy is only ballpark.



            TL;DR Going from Mars to Jupiter's moons is a lot harder than going from Earth to Mars.






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              Let's go back our old friend the Pork chop plotter. Earth to Jupiter using minimum fuel takes around 2 years and you get one opportunity per year, more or less, to get there. You can shorten the journey to perhaps 20 months with minimal extra fuel. The delta-V required at Earth (over and above escape velocity) is about 9.3 km/s (you can in theory aerobrake at Jupiter, although the velocities involved, and the radiation environment might make this a bit exciting).



              enter image description here



              Mars to Jupiter with minimal fuel takes longer. Intuitively I think this is because Mars' orbital velocity around the Sun is lower. Journey times are around 30 months, but the delta-V needed (again over and above Mars escape) is only about 6 km/s.



              A fully-fueled SpaceX Starship is expected to have about 9 km/s delta-V capability (with a very small payload) so it could reach Jupiter if refuelled in high elliptical Earth orbit, or possibly directly from the surface of Mars. Refueling in Low Mars orbit would certainly be enough.



              enter image description here



              Bases on asteroids seem unlikely to help much. Matching orbit with them is too hard and you probably still have to get the fuel there. If you could make fuel on Ceres that would be quite appealing in terms of delta-V and payload mass, although the mission would get still slower.



              TLDR: If you can make fuel on Mars, or on Ceres, it will help you move more payload to Jupiter without needing to launch insane amounts of fuel from Earth, but such missions are generally longer in duration than direct missions.






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                $begingroup$

                Let's go back our old friend the Pork chop plotter. Earth to Jupiter using minimum fuel takes around 2 years and you get one opportunity per year, more or less, to get there. You can shorten the journey to perhaps 20 months with minimal extra fuel. The delta-V required at Earth (over and above escape velocity) is about 9.3 km/s (you can in theory aerobrake at Jupiter, although the velocities involved, and the radiation environment might make this a bit exciting).



                enter image description here



                Mars to Jupiter with minimal fuel takes longer. Intuitively I think this is because Mars' orbital velocity around the Sun is lower. Journey times are around 30 months, but the delta-V needed (again over and above Mars escape) is only about 6 km/s.



                A fully-fueled SpaceX Starship is expected to have about 9 km/s delta-V capability (with a very small payload) so it could reach Jupiter if refuelled in high elliptical Earth orbit, or possibly directly from the surface of Mars. Refueling in Low Mars orbit would certainly be enough.



                enter image description here



                Bases on asteroids seem unlikely to help much. Matching orbit with them is too hard and you probably still have to get the fuel there. If you could make fuel on Ceres that would be quite appealing in terms of delta-V and payload mass, although the mission would get still slower.



                TLDR: If you can make fuel on Mars, or on Ceres, it will help you move more payload to Jupiter without needing to launch insane amounts of fuel from Earth, but such missions are generally longer in duration than direct missions.






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                  $begingroup$

                  Let's go back our old friend the Pork chop plotter. Earth to Jupiter using minimum fuel takes around 2 years and you get one opportunity per year, more or less, to get there. You can shorten the journey to perhaps 20 months with minimal extra fuel. The delta-V required at Earth (over and above escape velocity) is about 9.3 km/s (you can in theory aerobrake at Jupiter, although the velocities involved, and the radiation environment might make this a bit exciting).



                  enter image description here



                  Mars to Jupiter with minimal fuel takes longer. Intuitively I think this is because Mars' orbital velocity around the Sun is lower. Journey times are around 30 months, but the delta-V needed (again over and above Mars escape) is only about 6 km/s.



                  A fully-fueled SpaceX Starship is expected to have about 9 km/s delta-V capability (with a very small payload) so it could reach Jupiter if refuelled in high elliptical Earth orbit, or possibly directly from the surface of Mars. Refueling in Low Mars orbit would certainly be enough.



                  enter image description here



                  Bases on asteroids seem unlikely to help much. Matching orbit with them is too hard and you probably still have to get the fuel there. If you could make fuel on Ceres that would be quite appealing in terms of delta-V and payload mass, although the mission would get still slower.



                  TLDR: If you can make fuel on Mars, or on Ceres, it will help you move more payload to Jupiter without needing to launch insane amounts of fuel from Earth, but such missions are generally longer in duration than direct missions.






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                  Let's go back our old friend the Pork chop plotter. Earth to Jupiter using minimum fuel takes around 2 years and you get one opportunity per year, more or less, to get there. You can shorten the journey to perhaps 20 months with minimal extra fuel. The delta-V required at Earth (over and above escape velocity) is about 9.3 km/s (you can in theory aerobrake at Jupiter, although the velocities involved, and the radiation environment might make this a bit exciting).



                  enter image description here



                  Mars to Jupiter with minimal fuel takes longer. Intuitively I think this is because Mars' orbital velocity around the Sun is lower. Journey times are around 30 months, but the delta-V needed (again over and above Mars escape) is only about 6 km/s.



                  A fully-fueled SpaceX Starship is expected to have about 9 km/s delta-V capability (with a very small payload) so it could reach Jupiter if refuelled in high elliptical Earth orbit, or possibly directly from the surface of Mars. Refueling in Low Mars orbit would certainly be enough.



                  enter image description here



                  Bases on asteroids seem unlikely to help much. Matching orbit with them is too hard and you probably still have to get the fuel there. If you could make fuel on Ceres that would be quite appealing in terms of delta-V and payload mass, although the mission would get still slower.



                  TLDR: If you can make fuel on Mars, or on Ceres, it will help you move more payload to Jupiter without needing to launch insane amounts of fuel from Earth, but such missions are generally longer in duration than direct missions.







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                      I whomped up a spreadsheet to compare scenarios like this: Hohmann.xls.



                      Typing Earth into departure planet cell and Mars into destination planet I get

                      Launch windows open each 2.14 years (synodic period)

                      Trip time .71 years

                      Delta V Low Earth Orbit to Low Mars Orbit: 5.7 km/s



                      Earth to Mars numbers



                      Typing Mars into departure planet and Jupiter into destination:

                      Launch window: Each 2.23 years
                      Trip time 3.1 years

                      Delta V Low Mars Orbit to Jupiter Capture orbit: 4.4 km/s



                      enter image description here



                      Jupiter capture orbit has periapsis 300 km above Jupiter's cloud tops and apoapsis about 4.8 million kilometers.



                      Matching orbit with a moon would take more. Altitude of Jupiter's larger moons can be found in cells J27 to J30. For example setting Jupiter's destination orbit at Europa's altitude boosts delta V to more than 10 km/s. This doesn't take into account Europa's gravity.



                      Due to Jupiter's strong magnetic field Jupiter's moons suffer from a very harsh radiation environment.



                      Caveat: My spreadsheet assumes circular, coplanar orbits. So accuracy is only ballpark.



                      TL;DR Going from Mars to Jupiter's moons is a lot harder than going from Earth to Mars.






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                        $begingroup$

                        I whomped up a spreadsheet to compare scenarios like this: Hohmann.xls.



                        Typing Earth into departure planet cell and Mars into destination planet I get

                        Launch windows open each 2.14 years (synodic period)

                        Trip time .71 years

                        Delta V Low Earth Orbit to Low Mars Orbit: 5.7 km/s



                        Earth to Mars numbers



                        Typing Mars into departure planet and Jupiter into destination:

                        Launch window: Each 2.23 years
                        Trip time 3.1 years

                        Delta V Low Mars Orbit to Jupiter Capture orbit: 4.4 km/s



                        enter image description here



                        Jupiter capture orbit has periapsis 300 km above Jupiter's cloud tops and apoapsis about 4.8 million kilometers.



                        Matching orbit with a moon would take more. Altitude of Jupiter's larger moons can be found in cells J27 to J30. For example setting Jupiter's destination orbit at Europa's altitude boosts delta V to more than 10 km/s. This doesn't take into account Europa's gravity.



                        Due to Jupiter's strong magnetic field Jupiter's moons suffer from a very harsh radiation environment.



                        Caveat: My spreadsheet assumes circular, coplanar orbits. So accuracy is only ballpark.



                        TL;DR Going from Mars to Jupiter's moons is a lot harder than going from Earth to Mars.






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                          I whomped up a spreadsheet to compare scenarios like this: Hohmann.xls.



                          Typing Earth into departure planet cell and Mars into destination planet I get

                          Launch windows open each 2.14 years (synodic period)

                          Trip time .71 years

                          Delta V Low Earth Orbit to Low Mars Orbit: 5.7 km/s



                          Earth to Mars numbers



                          Typing Mars into departure planet and Jupiter into destination:

                          Launch window: Each 2.23 years
                          Trip time 3.1 years

                          Delta V Low Mars Orbit to Jupiter Capture orbit: 4.4 km/s



                          enter image description here



                          Jupiter capture orbit has periapsis 300 km above Jupiter's cloud tops and apoapsis about 4.8 million kilometers.



                          Matching orbit with a moon would take more. Altitude of Jupiter's larger moons can be found in cells J27 to J30. For example setting Jupiter's destination orbit at Europa's altitude boosts delta V to more than 10 km/s. This doesn't take into account Europa's gravity.



                          Due to Jupiter's strong magnetic field Jupiter's moons suffer from a very harsh radiation environment.



                          Caveat: My spreadsheet assumes circular, coplanar orbits. So accuracy is only ballpark.



                          TL;DR Going from Mars to Jupiter's moons is a lot harder than going from Earth to Mars.






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                          I whomped up a spreadsheet to compare scenarios like this: Hohmann.xls.



                          Typing Earth into departure planet cell and Mars into destination planet I get

                          Launch windows open each 2.14 years (synodic period)

                          Trip time .71 years

                          Delta V Low Earth Orbit to Low Mars Orbit: 5.7 km/s



                          Earth to Mars numbers



                          Typing Mars into departure planet and Jupiter into destination:

                          Launch window: Each 2.23 years
                          Trip time 3.1 years

                          Delta V Low Mars Orbit to Jupiter Capture orbit: 4.4 km/s



                          enter image description here



                          Jupiter capture orbit has periapsis 300 km above Jupiter's cloud tops and apoapsis about 4.8 million kilometers.



                          Matching orbit with a moon would take more. Altitude of Jupiter's larger moons can be found in cells J27 to J30. For example setting Jupiter's destination orbit at Europa's altitude boosts delta V to more than 10 km/s. This doesn't take into account Europa's gravity.



                          Due to Jupiter's strong magnetic field Jupiter's moons suffer from a very harsh radiation environment.



                          Caveat: My spreadsheet assumes circular, coplanar orbits. So accuracy is only ballpark.



                          TL;DR Going from Mars to Jupiter's moons is a lot harder than going from Earth to Mars.







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